Scrap Bank Holidays to save the Economy?

Castiel said:
Not necessarily, most people get the bank holidays in addition to their statutory entiltlement, not as part of it.....removing it would effectively remove those extra days.

If your statutory holiday entitlement includes those days then effectively you are not getting them anyway.

Also they are referring to removing the entitlement entirely, not changing the definition of the days to allow them to be taken elsewhere.
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If they remove bank holidays I then have 28 days paid holidays, that I'm entitled to, to take as and when. At the moment I have 20 days to do with as I please and 8 days that i'm forced to take of when the state decide. If they remove bank holidays my entitlement stays the same. It's just that my contract states that I have to use 8 of my days on bank holidays or take bank holidays un-paid, something I personally find un-fair, although I can see the benefits of people all having the same day off, I personally don't think it outweighs me being able to decide when I take the days. I'm all for it. The people that get 28 days plus bank holidays paid, it's a shame but they will then have to enjoy the same privelages that I do when it comes to holidays. I'm certain that if it is that much of a problem then the extra holidays they get can be re-negotiated into their contract.
 
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mollymoo said:
If they remove bank holidays I then have 28 days paid holidays, that I'm entitled to, to take as and when. At the moment I have 20 days to do with as I please and 8 days that i'm forced to take of when the state decide. If they remove bank holidays my entitlement stays the same, it's just that my contract states that I have to use 8 of my days on bank holidays or take bank holidays un-paid. I'm all for it. The people that get 28 days plus bank holidays paid, it's a shame but they will then have to enjoy the same privelages that I do when it comes to holidays. I'm certain that if it is that much of a problem then the extra holidays they get can be re-negotiated into their contract.
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What would happen to you is you would still get the 28 days, as that is the statutory minimum.

It just happens the statutory minimum can include BH's as part of the 28, whereas most employers (except the stingy one you work for!) give the 28 plus BH's.

The bold part sounds like a race to the bottom to me :p

Also, what would be the point of renegotiating the extra 'lost' BH's as additional holiday as that would defeat the point of s****ping them in the first place...which is to make the population work these 8 extra days / year.
 
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Freakbro said:
What would happen to you is you would still get the 28 days, as that is the statutory minimum.

It just happens the statutory minimum can include BH's as part of the 28, whereas most employers (except the stingy one you work for!) give the 28 plus BH's.
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I've edited my post slightly. :)

You may find that I've mentioned the re-negotiation of contracts with regards to holidays. You may also find that 28days including bank holidays occurs more than you think. It may be the next step to saving costs with public sector workers, they seem to get an extraordinarily large amount of holidays that must cost the tax payer a fortune.
 
Freakbro said:
What would happen to you is you would still get the 28 days, as that is the statutory minimum.

It just happens the statutory minimum can include BH's as part of the 28, whereas most employers (except the stingy one you work for!) give the 28 plus BH's.

The bold part sounds like a race to the bottom to me :p

Also, what would be the point of renegotiating the extra 'lost' BH's as additional holiday as that would defeat the point of s****ping them in the first place...which is to make the population work these 8 extra days / year.
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And so have you :)

The difference is between companies shutting down for the day and staying open on a slightly reduced staff.
 
There are plenty of ways to save money in the UK economy but scrapping bank holidays clearly is not one of them.

In a country were we work enough hours already, have the least days off as it is, take more time off work for stress, take more sick days off, work enough unpaid hours compared to other countries in Europe.
 
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malachi said:
There are plenty of ways to save money in the UK economy but s****ping bank holidays clearly instead one of them.

In a country were we work enough hours already, have the least the days off as it is, take more time off work for stress, take more sick days off, work enough unpaid hours compared to other countries in Europe.
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Didn't read the rest of the thread...
 
malachi said:
There are plenty of ways to save money in the UK economy but scrapping bank holidays clearly instead one of them.

In a country were we work enough hours already, have the least the days off as it is, take more time off work for stress, take more sick days off, work enough unpaid hours compared to other countries in Europe.
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The work force is getting soft is all. In days gone by people worked harder without all the faffing over stress. It makes me sad to be honest.
 
I'm in two minds about it anyway tbh...

On one hand it's a spurious figure by some economic think tank, and you can find plenty of conflicting ideas from different groups...and £19Bn GDP might sound a lot, but since the UK GDP is around £2Tn, it's a drop in the ocean.

On the other, the country is in trouble and if it was shown this would really help, should we not knuckle down and get on with it for the best. Countries have asked for far greater sacrifices from their citizens at times of crises, are we all too privilaged now to give up a few days off?
 
Castiel said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17654781



They point to South Korea, yet South Korea get more statutory days, not fewer (although holiday entitlemenypts may well be different).....besides, I cannot see that removing bank holidays would be the most popular of things to do........

And the word 'S.c.r.a.p' falls foul of the swearie filter???.....really!!!..Could a Mod possibly fix or alter the thread title accordingly, thanks..:)
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I guess the swear filter has the Scunthorpe problem. :D
 
mollymoo said:
And so have you :)

The difference is between companies shutting down for the day and staying open on a slightly reduced staff.
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The fact is that few companies shut down anyway, rota systems and lieu days offset any need to lose productivity.....what it actually amounts to to removing 8 days from the workforce and the inherrent savings involved in that, you do not technically get bank holidays as it is part of your statutory entitlement, although it is only a small step from removing bank holidays to altering the statutory entitlement to reflect that removal.....

That is besides all the intangible benefits as mentioned by others.
 
I'd imagine it impacts people with families too. If husband and wife get bank holidays off then they can do something as a family, if they instead have them added to their entitlement then they might find it more difficult to get time off together during school holidays.

However on the other hand if you work in the service sector then you can't guarantee bank holidays anyway, so this might work the other way around.
 
bitslice said:
It's a great idea, every bank holiday the road jams with caravans and town centres are rammed. They also come at times when I don't actually want to be forced to go on holiday.

Far better to let people pick their own holidays and spread the problems around a bit.
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OK, but what about the kids & school?

Schools aren't going to be too happy about kids taking holidays during school time. I'm not a parent myself, but my sister has to fill out a form if she wants to take her boys out of school for just a DAY (like my nan's funeral last month)
 
another great idea to keep screwing the working class. its getting to the point unless you are rich you are going to be better off playing the benefit system.
 
Beerbaron said:
another great idea to keep screwing the working class. its getting to the point unless you are rich you are going to be better off playing the benefit system.
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Do you want to explain how this negatively affects the working class, or are you just reading a thread title and voiding your brain into a post without bothered to read anything? It's been said several times that the total holidays people get will be unaffected.
 
Beerbaron said:
another great idea to keep screwing the working class. its getting to the point unless you are rich you are going to be better off playing the benefit system.
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By working class who do you mean? This would include the part time mother, factory worker, office worker, senior manager, banker and director of a company (at least in my company). Basically the only people that wouldn't be affected are the self employed...

The Halk said:
Do you want to explain how this negatively affects the working class, or are you just reading a thread title and voiding your brain into a post without bothered to read anything? It's been said several times that the total holidays people get will be unaffected.
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Actually I think you're missing the point. It would affect the number of days off you have as far as I and several others read it.:p

EDIT: Ok, maybe it's not so clear... If we do have them added to our time off then then I'm all for it, extra days I can take when I want and go abroad are fine by me, rather than being stuck at home for a day or so extra at the weekend...
 
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Castiel said:
The fact is that few companies shut down anyway, rota systems and lieu days offset any need to lose productivity.....what it actually amounts to to removing 8 days from the workforce and the inherrent savings involved in that, you do not technically get bank holidays as it is part of your statutory entitlement, although it is only a small step from removing bank holidays to altering the statutory entitlement to reflect that removal.....

That is besides all the intangible benefits as mentioned by others.
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If they changed the statutory entitlement then I could understand the hulla baloo.
 
The Halk said:
Do you want to explain how this negatively affects the working class, or are you just reading a thread title and voiding your brain into a post without bothered to read anything? It's been said several times that the total holidays people get will be unaffected.
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Not necessarily...whether it would affect your total holiday entitlement would depend on whether bank/public holidays are already incorporated into that entitlement or not.....even of you have a contract that gives you the statutory holiday entitlement plus bank holidays, if you then remove bank holidays effectively the company doesn't have to give you those days as they no longer exist.....you could end up with 8 days less holiday.

You would also potentially see a gradual reduction in overall holiday entitlements as those with the statutory entitlements plus B/H are limited to the statutory entitlement solely.
 
UK law (mandated by EU law) requires 28 days holiday minimum per year. This discussion is entirely about removing the prescribed bank holidays, and having the other days floating. My irritation is people reading the title of a thread, not bothering to read anything in it and leaping with both feet to make the same poor point that has already been made several times already.
 
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