Self Defense ?

[Saundie]

As said, you could kill in self defence and be free from charge.

Could you kill yourself in self defence, and still be free from charge?

 

[Saytan]

Did the law on tha one get changed? I know the Conservatilves were railing against it (rightly so) at one point, but I'm not sure if it was changed or not.

Certainly I'd want to be able to legally confront a burglar, and I'd want to be able to grab a weapon if one was to hand first.

if you approach someone with a weapon, even on your own property, that you have grabbed with premeditation, and you kill them with it, that's murder.

 

[meghatronic]

Did the law on tha one get changed? I know the Conservatilves were railing against it (rightly so) at one point, but I'm not sure if it was changed or not.

Certainly I'd want to be able to legally confront a burglar, and I'd want to be able to grab a weapon if one was to hand first.

I'm not sure it should get changed in the way you think.

You *can* grab a 'weapon' if it is to hand. You can't, however, keep a steak knife under your bed. Just start collecting swords and be done with the grey area.

 

[The Halk]

if you approach someone with a weapon, even on your own property, that you have grabbed with premeditation, and you kill them with it, that's murder.

Yeah. I don't agree with that at all. I guess the law hasn't changed then?

For example if a burglar was in a room with my sleeping child and I was worried what would happen if my child was woken, and grabbed a golf club, went into the room with the intent of and with no warning smacked the burglar in the head as hard as I could with the golf club ending their life I believe I would have committed a crime, as far as the law is concerned.

 

[The Halk]

I'm not sure it should get changed in the way you think.

You *can* grab a 'weapon' if it is to hand. You can't, however, keep a steak knife under your bed. Just start collecting swords and be done with the grey area.

Ah, I see. So my golf club thing would be ok if I was passing it. But going downstairs for a steak knife wouldn't be.

I'd want the golf club anyway, I just want to put them out of action as quickly as possible, rather than give them a laceration that'll floor them in a few minutes time.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I'm completely missing that reference...

The reasonable man in English law is defined as the man on the Clapham Omnibus - reasonably educated and intelligent but with no specific legal or other knowledge.

Self defence is fairly simple in principle but to give an absolute prescriptive set of all circumstances is almost impossible - as with most things in law it depends on the circumstances in the instant case.

 

[Morba]

Could you kill yourself in self defence, and still be free from charge?

In America you can probably still be charged even when dead, not sure about over here though

 

[Saytan]

edited: bizarre DP sorry

 

[The Halk]

The reasonable man in English law is defined as the man on the Clapham Omnibus - reasonably educated and intelligent but with no specific legal or other knowledge.

Self defence is fairly simple in principle but to give an absolute prescriptive set of all circumstances is almost impossible - as with most things in law it depends on the circumstances in the instant case.

Aha. Scottish law makes no references to the bus service in London

Indeed, it's not possible to be exactly explicit.

 

[Saundie]

In America you can probably still be charged even when dead, not sure about over here though

Excellent news. This thread makes me want to kill myself in self defense, it's a relief to know that I won't face murder charges if successful.

 

[Morba]

Excellent news. This thread makes me want to kill myself in self defense, it's a relief to know that I won't face murder charges if successful.

 

[meghatronic]

Ah, I see. So my golf club thing would be ok if I was passing it. But going downstairs for a steak knife wouldn't be.

If you play golf, or collect clubs or something, and it wasn't just an odd one under your bed.. I think that'd be fine.

 

[Saytan]

If you play golf, or collect clubs or something, and it wasn't just an odd one under your bed.. I think that'd be fine.

aye

if you have a baseball bat, you'd better make damn sure you have a glove and a ball too.

 

[The Halk]

If you play golf, or collect clubs or something, and it wasn't just an odd one under your bed.. I think that'd be fine.

Indeed. I'd grab something else if there wasn't a golf club on the way.

I collect WW2 artillery, so probably something like that.

 

[dowie]

If you leave marks on them is it classed as GBH ?

Did you just deliberately ignore all the previous replies to your original post and just decide to ask another question which can't realistically be given a straight answer given its lack of context?

 

[mejinks]

In Cardiff, you can go home, get a hammer and kill a man who shouted at you for vandalising his car and still claim self defense. Apparently.

 

[Viper²]

In Cardiff, you can go home, get a hammer and kill a man who shouted at you for vandalising his car and still claim self defense. Apparently.

Link?

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I collect western era revolvers.

Does anyone know if I can confront a burglar wearing a shawl, a hat and gob in a spitoon before shooting him then spinning the gun before holstering it ?

 

[The Halk]

I collect western era revolvers.

Does anyone know if I can confront a burglar wearing a shawl, a hat and gob in a spitoon before shooting him then spinning a LeMat before holstering it ?

I'd much prefer to see you do it in full Gestapo kit out, walking stick and all

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I'd much prefer to see you do it in full Gestapo kit out, walking stick and all

It would be worth it for the look on the burglar's face.

' Get out or you vil be shot. '