Sexual Assault/Rape. What do?

[Dave****]

Just leave it. This is all I will say, I have had to deal with something extremely similar to this in the past and I went down the road you are on and messed everything up, including my own life too. People deal with things in their own way and in their own time, all you can do is offer support. Ah hindsight.. how I hate thee.

 

[mattyg]

Err... thanks for posting that for a second time .

Your welcome.

Some advice from a person that actually deals with situations like this and it gets ignored.

I'll say it again the police will NOT do anything at all. Unless the person who had been or is being abused makes an official complaint

 

[EyepodI]

Interesting case

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1604682/

Hollie claims she was abused for 14 years from the age of six and has given police the names of some of the men she says assaulted her.

The 30-year-old and her mother, Anne, have been campaigning for criminal proceedings since 2000.

The abuse is alleged to have taken place in Aberdeen, and Hollie and her mother claim to have made a statement at Bucksburn police station in July that year naming those involved.

The family moved to Shropshire and two Grampian Police officers travelled to Shrewsbury in September last year to re-interview Hollie at a special facility.

Last month, the Crown Office revealed there was not enough reliable evidence to proceed with the case.

A spokesman said at the time: “Historical allegations of sexual abuse made by a 30-year-old woman in Shropshire have been thoroughly investigated by police.

“Crown counsel have considered all the available information and decided that there is insufficient credible, reliable and admissible evidence to justify criminal proceedings in respect of these allegations.”

Despite no charges ever being brought, Hollie received £13,500 compensation from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority in April last year.

It is understood that followed evidence from a Grampian detective inspector, who described Hollie as “a truthful witness to the best of her ability and an entirely innocent victim”.

Mrs Greig, 58, claims her daughter has experienced nightmares and panic attacks since she first told her about the alleged abuse.

The legal adviser to the family of a disabled woman who claims she was abused by a paedophile ring as a child was arrested yesterday as he made his way to the centre of Aberdeen to hand out leaflets.

Said legal adviser is now doing a one year stretch over this. Ho hum - did it even happen???

 

[Richie]

Your welcome.

Some advice from a person that actually deals with situations like this and it gets ignored.

I'll say it again the police will NOT do anything at all. Unless the person who had been or is being abused makes an official complaint

You're wrong. The police will, at the very least, make preliminary investigations into the accused including checking police systems and intelligence reports on the individual and possibly liase with Social Work to establish if there is any risks to the current children.

The police cannot simply ignore allegations of child abuse just in case there is some truth in it. Can you imagine the public outcry if it turned out someone was being abused and the police were informed and did nothing?

 

[Robbo]

Someone has told me that they've been sexually assaulted as a young teenager by a family member. Said family member also raped their own sister. This male is a father of a young child now, and it isn't unlikely that sexual assault of others within the reportings family has also happened.

The person who told me has said that they don't want to do anything about it, in terms of telling their family or the police.

I think that this is wrong and the police ought to be told, and perhaps the family of the person who told me ought to be informed.

What do the good folk of OcUK think?

I think you have to do something about it.

Ideally you want the person involved to go to the police and press charges/assist them, however, as mentioned, victims don't always find this easy.

Try and convince this person to go to the police about it, go with them if need be, but you can't just let something like this slide, especially when there are possible current/future victims at risk.

 

[jas72]

Someone has told me that they've been sexually assaulted as a young teenager by a family member. Said family member also raped their own sister. This male is a father of a young child now, and it isn't unlikely that sexual assault of others within the reportings family has also happened.

The person who told me has said that they don't want to do anything about it, in terms of telling their family or the police.

I think that this is wrong and the police ought to be told, and perhaps the family of the person who told me ought to be informed.

What do the good folk of OcUK think?

I think that you are in a really horrible place. I personally would hate to be told something awful like that then be told not to tell anybody. I'm sure that the kid will be ok after all rapist and peado are not the same thing (despite the best attempts of the Daily Mail).

However from what I've heard first hand from people who have had dealing with the social services I can see why someone wouldn't want them involved.

 

[mattyg]

The police will at most pass it onto Social services. Unless that child is at immediate risk of harm.

Whats best is if your friend speaks to social services tells them about her fears.

 

[mattyg]

I think that you are in a really horrible place. I personally would hate to be told something awful like that then be told not to tell anybody. I'm sure that the kid will be ok after all rapist and peado are not the same thing (despite the best attempts of the Daily Mail).

However from what I've heard first hand from people who have had dealing with the social services I can see why someone wouldn't want them involved.

But they WILL be involved thats their department.

The police deal with crime. Until a crime has taken place then social services will deal.


At best what the OP has talked about is hearsay.

Social services are set up to deal with this the police unfortunately arn't.

 

[steve-h]

How do these people get convicted in such cases? Wouldn't they have to confess due to lack of evidence?

 

[mattyg]

Thats why they very rarely get prosecuted.

 

[LeonT]

Err... thanks for posting that for a second time .

'el oh el'

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Ahleckz I think you need to sit down and talk to your friend with a view to convincing her to tell the police if he/she wishes.

Regardless of the consequences this vermin needs to be brought to justice if this is remotely accurate.

 

[MooMoo444]

Whoa, a rape thread.. this is a new one for OcUK lol

Just go to the police.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Interesting case

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1604682/


Said legal adviser is now doing a one year stretch over this. Ho hum - did it even happen???

Why are you even posting this, its not relevant and also your take on it is odd, the article states the witness seemed to be telling the truth, there was just no evidence, the lawyer was NOT arrested for mishandling the case. He was arrested for breach of the peace, not exactly sure why, handing out leaflets about cop rapers, with no proof and an investigation that didn't go anywhere, or how he was behaving while handing them out.

His arrest has zero bearing on if the woman in question was raped as a child.

 

[EyepodI]

Why are you even posting this, its not relevant and also your take on it is odd, the article states the witness seemed to be telling the truth, there was just no evidence, the lawyer was NOT arrested for mishandling the case. He was arrested for breach of the peace, not exactly sure why, handing out leaflets about cop rapers, with no proof and an investigation that didn't go anywhere, or how he was behaving while handing them out.

His arrest has zero bearing on if the woman in question was raped as a child.

He was not a lawyer - legal adviser - was arrested for getting involved, handing out leaflets making accusations regarding "alleged" incident.

Innocent until proven guilty? Witness? What witness are you talking about? It's the downs syndrome "victim" you're referring to as a witness, who didn't know anything about it until her mother informed her of alleged abuse! Read between the lines...

 

[drunkenmaster]

The police investigating the crime called her a witness, legal adviser to lawyer is a ridiculous unbelievable leap from me, fantastically sorry about that........

As for mother informing the child, the last line is ambiguous at best, in 99.9999% of cases it would be read as the child informing the mother about it, not the other way around. its a little ambiguous as the "child" is both now 30 and has downs syndrome.

So the choices here are, the mother knew about it at the time, the child forgot and the mother randomly chose 14 years later to tell everyone including her daughter about it, which unfortunately in this world is possible, woman looking for damages and a payout. The other choice is the "kid" said nothing at the time and years later told her mother, this would be the far more likely reading of it in 99% of cases.

Again, it has NOTHING to do with what the op is talking about. It's not the same situation and again the "legal adviser" was NOT arrested for making false claims, or misleading the mother, or knowingly helping someone who was lying, he was arrested for (seemingly) attempting to disturb the peace. You can't read between the lines, there is next to no information both about the case, nor about the reason for the arrest(as he was supposedly on his way to a what sounds like a protest).

The story is about the legal adviser more than the case, and the OP is essentially wondering what to do to help his friend, these are ENTIRELY unrelated.

Doing nothing because someone else in another case MIGHT not be telling the truth, is ridiculous.

 

['Harry]

Having had first hand experience in this situation before, I'll happily chat via PM if you wish.

Edit - seems no PMs yet. Email in trust.

 

[Jay794]

Find out who it is, and cut their sausage off with a blunt knife or at least crush it with 2 bricks

 

[EyepodI]

The police investigating the crime called her a witness, legal adviser to lawyer is a ridiculous unbelievable leap from me, fantastically sorry about that........

As for mother informing the child, the last line is ambiguous at best, in 99.9999% of cases it would be read as the child informing the mother about it, not the other way around. its a little ambiguous as the "child" is both now 30 and has downs syndrome.

So the choices here are, the mother knew about it at the time, the child forgot and the mother randomly chose 14 years later to tell everyone including her daughter about it, which unfortunately in this world is possible, woman looking for damages and a payout. The other choice is the "kid" said nothing at the time and years later told her mother, this would be the far more likely reading of it in 99% of cases.

Again, it has NOTHING to do with what the op is talking about. It's not the same situation and again the "legal adviser" was NOT arrested for making false claims, or misleading the mother, or knowingly helping someone who was lying, he was arrested for (seemingly) attempting to disturb the peace. You can't read between the lines, there is next to no information both about the case, nor about the reason for the arrest(as he was supposedly on his way to a what sounds like a protest).

The story is about the legal adviser more than the case, and the OP is essentially wondering what to do to help his friend, these are ENTIRELY unrelated.

Doing nothing because someone else in another case MIGHT not be telling the truth, is ridiculous.

Ok you wan't to get on your high horse about your analysis of text on an internet forum

The advice to the OP still stands, be careful who and what you're believing - that is all. As a few people who know what they're talking about in this thread have alluded to. Can of worms and all that.

 

["andy"]

Maybe she doesn't want to tell he police because it's all an attention seeking fabricated story....

Surely if it's true she would know how horrible it is and would want to save any potential future victims from going what she's gone through ?


Or maybe she told you hoping that you would tell the police ?

Tough one !

 

[Tefal]

Someone has told me that they've been sexually assaulted as a young teenager by a family member. Said family member also raped their own sister. This male is a father of a young child now, and it isn't unlikely that sexual assault of others within the reportings family has also happened.

The person who told me has said that they don't want to do anything about it, in terms of telling their family or the police.

I think that this is wrong and the police ought to be told, and perhaps the family of the person who told me ought to be informed.

What do the good folk of OcUK think?

You 100% sure they aren't lying?

cause you could destroy an innocent person.