Shiny New PC on the cards? (What games will you get?)

Since getting a new machine a few weeks ago I have not been able to put down Far Cry 4.

So that's what I recommend. I was excited to get GTAV but it's gathering digital dust as FC4 is that good :)
 
I'm having good fun with Dying Lighlight, it can be had for less £15 if your morals will allow you to buy from a grey cd key website such as cdkeys.com
 
Nate75 said:
Since getting a new machine a few weeks ago I have not been able to put down Far Cry 4.

So that's what I recommend. I was excited to get GTAV but it's gathering digital dust as FC4 is that good :)
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Farcry 4 looks good, but I just saw some footage for FarCry Primal! Love it :)
Primal going on my game list, I just cant resist the animal companions haha :)
 
A decent list but if your anything like me you will play 2 or 3 games at a time for 6 months or so each before moving on...dying light /fallout i played until i was fully specced then put to one side, GTA5 played for 2 hrs!!! and ive put about 200hrs into Hearthstone WTF!!!
Elite is a good game definitely one you can get lost in and xcom 2 looks good, i haven't upgraded in a couple of years for me its all about the gameplay graphics now days are so amazing compare to the spectrum days, if it has more than 8 colours im happy.
 
Drollic said:
I'd suggest holding out a little longer for the new cards and in that time, save some more so you can have 16gb and a 500gb SSD.
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CaptainBlack said:
Cheers Drollic, Build will now include 16Gb as suggested :)
As for the 500Gb SSD, I have a 500Gb mechanical and 500Gb external drive for data etc. The only software on the SSD will be the OS and and what ever game I'm playing at the time. That said, if I had a choice I would go with the 500Gb SSD :)
What cards? I'm not up to speed with all the upcoming tech yet. When are they due out and have you got any links? The build is still a few months off, will they be out by then?
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I hate to be "that guy", but you might be wasting your money.

http://www.techspot.com/article/1043-8gb-vs-16gb-ram/page3.html

For games, there is no difference between 8gb and 16gb of system RAM (VRAM on GPUs is very different).

http://www.techspot.com/article/1043-8gb-vs-16gb-ram/page4.html

If it's also a machine for serious productivity apps, then go ahead and get 16gb. But if it's just games, Office and web browsing... spend that money elsewhere.
 
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CaptainBlack said:
Cheers Drollic, Build will now include 16Gb as suggested :)
As for the 500Gb SSD, I have a 500Gb mechanical and 500Gb external drive for data etc. The only software on the SSD will be the OS and and what ever game I'm playing at the time. That said, if I had a choice I would go with the 500Gb SSD :)
What cards? I'm not up to speed with all the upcoming tech yet. When are they due out and have you got any links? The build is still a few months off, will they be out by then?
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The new lower and middle end cards from both AMD and Nvidia will be out in a matter of months. I'd base your whole build around those and the performance reviews. Ideally wait for 3rd party revisions/coolers and the best models (normally shortly after). The middle end cards will be comparable to higher end current gen cards roughly speaking so you get more for your money. Stick with 16GB, games in 2016-2017 will start requiring it to run optimally. There's at least one title out in as early as April this year recommending 16gb. It's fairly accurate to say currently it won't make much difference outside of one or two benchmarks and even then it will be minimal, but I wouldn't want to have to bother upgrading in 6-12 months and have 4*4gb (might be difficult to match depending what you buy) as opposed to 2*8gb now.
 
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Drollic said:
The new lower and middle end cards from both AMD and Nvidia will be out in a matter of months. I'd base your whole build around those and the performance reviews. Ideally wait for 3rd party revisions/coolers and the best models (normally shortly after). The middle end cards will be comparable to higher end current gen cards roughly speaking so you get more for your money. Stick with 16GB, games in 2016-2017 will start requiring it to run optimally. There's at least one title out in as early as April this year recommending 16gb. It's fairly accurate to say currently it won't make much difference outside of one or two benchmarks and even then it will be minimal, but I wouldn't want to have to bother upgrading in 6-12 months and have 4*4gb (might be difficult to match depending what you buy) as opposed to 2*8gb now.
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What are you basing the jump in sys RAM usage on? Do you have a source? Because every single article I've ever read has said 8GB is more than enough. And that makes sense, because of the nature of system RAM and what gets stored in it.

Game data/ game state is pretty tiny in size compared to VRAM used to store textures.

Consoles have 8GB unified RAM. They use a fraction of this for game data/ game state, the vast majority will be used for textures. And the current consoles will not be replaced for years.

I bet you games won't be using 8GB sys RAM even in a couple years time. If you have a source you think shows a jump in sys RAM usage is imminent - since you made that statement - can you link to it?
 
FoxEye said:
What are you basing the jump in sys RAM usage on? Do you have a source? Because every single article I've ever read has said 8GB is more than enough. And that makes sense, because of the nature of system RAM and what gets stored in it.

Game data/ game state is pretty tiny in size compared to VRAM used to store textures.

Consoles have 8GB unified RAM. They use a fraction of this for game data/ game state, the vast majority will be used for textures. And the current consoles will not be replaced for years.

I bet you games won't be using 8GB sys RAM even in a couple years time. If you have a source you think shows a jump in sys RAM usage is imminent - since you made that statement - can you link to it?
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Games don't need to use a full 8GB to make a 16GB system perform fractionally better as it stands in certain games though due to other programmes plus the OS using memory. The Witcher 3 is an example of this. I admit the difference is minimal as it stands, but this gap will only likely widen over the next 12-24 months. There won't be an 'imminent jump' and nor have I made that statement. Running optimally, doesn't mean needed to function. Instead, just like with 4gb to 8gb, you will very slowly start to see the benefits and this is already happening. 12 months ago I would have agreed with you, not currently if you're building a rig for gaming over the next few months. All of this is also ignoring the upgrade cost, the benefit of 2*8gb as opposed to 4*4gb and the possibility of having to sell/match memory later down the line.
 
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Drollic said:
Games don't need to use a full 8GB to make a 16GB system perform fractionally better as it stands in certain games though due to other programmes plus the OS using memory. The Witcher 3 is an example of this. I admit the difference is minimal as it stands
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Wut? That doesn't make a shred of sense.

If the game isn't even using 8GB, then going to 16GB sys memory isn't going to be helpful.

Bring a source - any source - that agrees with you. I've already posted one from TechSpot showing that there's no difference at all in games.
 
FoxEye said:
Wut? That doesn't make a shred of sense.

If the game isn't even using 8GB, then going to 16GB sys memory isn't going to be helpful.

Bring a source - any source - that agrees with you. I've already posted one from TechSpot showing that there's no difference at all in games.
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It doesn't need to use 8GB. You make it sound as though I state it as a requirement, that the cost is huge relative to the build and that in no way shape or form will you possibly see any benefit over the lifetime of a current build that's probably going to be kept for years to come :confused:
 
Well last time I checked the cost of 16GB ram was about £50 more than the cost of 8GB. That's money I'd use to improve the GFX card.

Because moving up a tier with your GPU /will/ have a tangible benefit. Moving from 8GB to 16GB sys RAM will not.

I don't even think anyone is going to disagree. Use the money to get a better GFX card. Don't blow it on more system memory.
 
FoxEye said:
Well last time I checked the cost of 16GB ram was about £50 more than the cost of 8GB. That's money I'd use to improve the GFX card.

Because moving up a tier with your GPU /will/ have a tangible benefit. Moving from 8GB to 16GB sys RAM will not.

I don't even think anyone is going to disagree. Use the money to get a better GFX card. Don't blow it on more system memory.
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I wouldn't disagree with that either apart from the cost of a tier upgrade as this depends what level you're buying at. £50.00 is a lot extra spending £200, not so much at £400+. It would however easily see a higher clocked card and likely a better cooling solution. I stand by the comment of recommending 16gb in a build now and over the next few months though. Multiple programs open plus some broswer tabs and games like GTAV and TW3 are already pushing it. Quantum Break in less than 3 months is 'recommending' 16gb. This trend will only continue and the benefits will become more tangible as you put it. We obviously have different ideas on what blowing money is. I'd call that buying a 5820k/980ti sli system to play nothing but rocket league and cs:go on, not some extra RAM to ensure you're future proofed for peace of mind.
 
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The most recent game I bought on the unreal engine could use over 10gb and I dont think its wise to be buying less then 16 now.

The trend for a long time is every two years you double it and my machine with only 6 is well out of date. Eventually I just pass it on more then upgrade, I would get 16 or 32 right now personally. Its really not a performance machine if its got to page to disk to make up a shortfall
 
ZBrush and PS will also be installed on the PC, maybe the 16Gb will come in handy for these apps? Also may try my hand at some fractal based image creation.
@Drollic, any chance of a link to the new cards you mention? Would really help as I'm still getting my head around all the new tech.
Back to games now :)
Had some great suggestion for new games so far, keep em coming peeps :)
 
I feel 8GB is fine if you're an old school PC gamer, who is still so paranoid about CPU utilisation that you close absolutely everything before running a game. I still can't get out of this habit and I've never seen my total utilisation go above 4-5gb in any game I've played -- and that's at high/ultra settings on 1440p.

If you are buying memory RIGHT NOW, then just get 2x8GB because the price difference seems reasonable, but if you already have 2x4GB sticks then just use them until you feel the need to upgrade in the future.
 
Yosiah said:
I feel 8GB is fine if you're an old school PC gamer, who is still so paranoid about CPU utilisation that you close absolutely everything before running a game. I still can't get out of this habit and I've never seen my total utilisation go above 4-5gb in any game I've played -- and that's at high/ultra settings on 1440p.

If you are buying memory RIGHT NOW, then just get 2x8GB because the price difference seems reasonable, but if you already have 2x4GB sticks then just use them until you feel the need to upgrade in the future.
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Haha, yes, I do turn off absolutely everything before running a game, but then again at the moment I have to.
The build is a few months off so the RAM debate that seems to have taken over the thread is not really that important at the momenent.
I could really do with some links for the near future GPU cards that have been mentioned though.
But back to games, I like the look of The Division. A lot of debate going on about this game but if it's more of a MMO than FPS then I'm ok with that :)
 
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