Shots fired outside parliament - Please refrain from speculative and antagonistic posts

[datalol-jack]

As predicted - the government now using this to fight encryption. It makes me feel sick tbh.

Edit - swiftly moved off the front of the Beeb I see...

Again, it's ideological opportunism on behalf of the government. Like with the perpetrator's hotel conversations, his WhatsApp convo could've been as equally banal and meaningless in prevention. (Say, can you tell the difference between your average 4chan troll and Breivik's rantings, as another example? Who's about to act, and who isn't?) Further, as evidenced by GD's frequent spats, reading into someone's mental state via text is harder than most assume. Doubly so algorithmically. So the government ends up watching, fruitlessly, the very people it should be protecting of whatever demographic, because that is cheaper and easier, and always gives a sense of false security to its core vote. It's the old and tested approach to crisis management of being seen to do 'something'.

 

[Screeeech]

As predicted - the government now using this to fight encryption. It makes me feel sick tbh.

Edit - swiftly moved off the front of the Beeb I see...

(badly jet lagged rant)

Yeah it's absolutely disgusting, she needs slapping down from her high horse.

I also have no idea how things would have been different, the attacker would have attacked, he was still known to MI5 and the police, wtf difference does it make, they've already figured out that he acted alone - what the hell difference does it even make, I really hope big tech companies really weigh in on this one and point blank refuse to cooperate.

 

[Rroff]

Well its clearly whatsapps (Facebook's) fault :s

I don't understand how they don't get it - bad people aren't going to just statically continue doing what they are doing when the goalposts are moved - they'll find other ways to hide what they are doing while every innocent person suffers when these systems are made less secure. And those intent on no good and dumb enough to continue using now insecure communications mechanisms will have poor enough protocols on how they operate that they can be caught in other ways if we have properly invested in our intelligence services.

Its absolutely vile that our government has used this to push such measures.

 

[Mynight]

Conspiracy theory alert - Maybe they do get it and are just using these attacks as means to push the agenda of read everything, no privacy for anyone for some insane end goal(no idea what the end goal is)(OK there's very little "theory" here, isn't that what makes the best conspiracies though? ). Edit: OOOOooo maybe it's a bid to stop the next Farage. "Yeah well we aren't going to listen to someone who watches BDSM porn online" "But I only wanted to talk about the environment" "BDSM!!!!!".

Or the other option they're actually that thick that they believe it is the solution...

 

[Screeeech]

Conspiracy theory alert - Maybe they do get it and are just using these attacks as means to push the agenda of read everything, no privacy for anyone for some insane end goal(no idea what the end goal is).

Or the other option they're actually that thick that they believe it is the solution...

I think it's a combination of both,

Amusingly, I imagine if they break the encryption - the government itself will be the first victim, when someone hacks their accounts and finds a paedophile ring, or fake expenses racket, or something

 

[datalol-jack]

I think it's a combination of both,

Amusingly, I imagine if they break the encryption - the government itself will be the first victim, when someone hacks their accounts and finds a paedophile ring, or fake expenses racket, or something

Or where May got those trendy leather pants.

 

[Nitefly]

Still on the front page for me.

Yeah it's back on there now.

 

[Mynight]

I think it's a combination of both,

Amusingly, I imagine if they break the encryption - the government itself will be the first victim, when someone hacks their accounts and finds a paedophile ring, or fake expenses racket, or something

O I'm sure there will be a caveat for the government to keep it's encryption just like the exception from snoopers. I would be willing to bet they have an awful lot to hide outside of their everyday work.

 

[datalol-jack]

O I'm sure there will be a caveat for the government to keep it's encryption just like the exception from snoopers. I would be willing to bet they have an awful lot to hide outside of their everyday work.

Yeah, but then you get guys like Trump/[insert technically illiterate MP/official] who use an old Android phone. Some can't even cover up their notes. And more get confused between an intentional leak and protocol. It'd be a mess.

 

[adolf hamster]

just to point out, a lack of end to end encryption didn't exactly stop the 'ra, or any other terrorist organisation prior to this modern connected world, so how exactly do they think it's going to stop them now?

i'm all for the bugging/tapping/spying on terrorists, when there's a COURT WARRANT involved, spying on the general populace without due process is sacrificing the liberties of those who use end to end encryption for legitimate means, like doing their online banking or businesses sending intellectual property data.

 

[datalol-jack]

just to point out, a lack of end to end encryption didn't exactly stop the 'ra, or any other terrorist organisation prior to this modern connected world, so how exactly do they think it's going to stop them now?

i'm all for the bugging/tapping/spying on terrorists, when there's a COURT WARRANT involved, spying on the general populace without due process is sacrificing the liberties of those who use end to end encryption for legitimate means, like doing their online banking or businesses sending intellectual property data.

Their thinking on this is not unlike the plot of Minority Report. Minus Cruise and Philip K Dick.

 

[Mynight]

just to point out, a lack of end to end encryption didn't exactly stop the 'ra, or any other terrorist organisation prior to this modern connected world, so how exactly do they think it's going to stop them now?

Nope no valid points allowed. Do you want to enable the terrorists/paedophile? You sir are a terrorphile sympathiser!

 

[Rroff]

i'm all for the bugging/tapping/spying on terrorists, when there's a COURT WARRANT involved, spying on the general populace without due process is sacrificing the liberties of those who use end to end encryption for legitimate means, like doing their online banking or businesses sending intellectual property data.

That is the other thing - if someone is intent on being upto no good they will have no problem exploiting encryption systems like e-finance to communicate. The only reason a government would in a reasoned way push out such things is because they are afraid of their citizens.

 

[Efour]

Time to make a stand guys! Don't leave it too late!

 

[adolf hamster]

Nope no valid points allowed. Do you want to enable the terrorists/paedophile? You sir are a terrorphile sympathiser!

sorry, forgot myself there, this is gd after all. poo through goverment's mailbox?

That is the other thing - if someone is intent on being upto no good they will have no problem exploiting encryption systems like e-finance to communicate. The only reason a government would in a reasoned way push out such things is because they are afraid of their citizens.

or they'd revert to hushed conversations in people's apartments etc.

it's worrying that this whole sacrificing of liberty thing isn't being seen as the major issue it is, i know a lot of the older generations tend to be all for it, but to us young bucks who have to spend the rest of our lives with the internet it's ever so slightly important. wether you have anything to hide or not is irrelevant, you may not have anything to hide now, but who's to say there won't be something introduced in the future that's actually going to have a major impact on you?

water dripping on a stone- erodes a mountain eventually.

 

[Skunkworks]

Actually I'm concerned about the teachings of this extremist version of Islam I think its very dangerous and is one of the main causes of Islamic terrorist violence around the world.

If Wahhabism is the problem, why aren't all Wahhabists killing?

 

[Mynight]

or they'd revert to hushed conversations in people's apartments etc.

it's worrying that this whole sacrificing of liberty thing isn't being seen as the major issue it is, i know a lot of the older generations tend to be all for it, but to us young bucks who have to spend the rest of our lives with the internet it's ever so slightly important. wether you have anything to hide or not is irrelevant, you may not have anything to hide now, but who's to say there won't be something introduced in the future that's actually going to have a major impact on you?

water dripping on a stone- erodes a mountain eventually.

To be honest I don't know of any retroactive laws(other than tax ones) that's have been introduced but that's not to say they wont do it in the future.

There's quite a few open source chat clients out there that are E2E encrypted and there's very little to stop them rolling their own one. They have some talented hackers it's not too much of a stretch to imagine them creating an in-house one. There are manuals on how to hide online activity(not great ones mind) on certain extremist sites. I highly doubt any future idiot is going to think twice about installing such a client just because it's been made illegal. There's no way the UK government can prevent E2E unless it's a business that wants to trade in the UK.

I just think it's incredibly short sighted, a backdoor for one is backdoor for anyone smart enough.

 

[adolf hamster]

To be honest I don't know of any retroactive laws(other than tax ones) that's have been introduced but that's not to say they wont do it in the future.

doesn't need to be retroactive, just passed through on the sly so people don't know. as we do know ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law.

 

[Mynight]

doesn't need to be retroactive, just passed through on the sly so people don't know. as we do know ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law.

Good point, I didn't think of that.

 

[adolf hamster]

Good point, I didn't think of that.

yep, say for example starting with media piracy to issue insta-fines to anyone that does it. not saying i support piracy but i'm sure the government wouldn't mind that as a nice little money spinner.