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Should 16 year old's be allowed to vote?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by ultralaser, Nov 4, 2017.

  1. ultralaser

    Hitman

    Joined: Sep 7, 2014

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    So today I was listening too (as I'm getti on a little) Radio 4, and they started discussing the relative merits of changing the voting to 16. As I'm sure OCUK has it's share of younger voters I think this is something worth discussing in speakers corner.

    On balance I'm on the view that we should maintain the current age of 18 for the voting process. But why?

    1/ 16-18 for me was a little like having the ability of try elements of what adults do without having the consequences that may be entailed. It's almost like an age where you trusted to try out parts of adult life with stabilizers . I guess what I mean is that we know that we want to trust 16 year olds but we also want to protect them, to give them a chance to understand some of the realities of adult life without the possibility of too much harm. Everything from driving through bank accounts operate in this way for 16 year old's.

    2/ To be able to vote you must have some (albeit often limited) experience of *life*. At 16 your fresh out of your school uniform, still an individual without any real understanding of the way the world works. Most 16 year old's are shielded from reality, most are at home living with their parents, they have little financial responsibility and have differing 'rules' placed on them. When I was 16 I had no idea about the tax system (even though I had a part time job), no idea about why health care (i'd never used it) nor had I felt any of the downsides of legislation and government actions. At 18 most have had a taste of independent living, the realities of the social safety net, and basically have a minimal amount of life experience to enable them to make an informed decision on who they want to see in power.

    3/ Both of the previous points lead (i feel) younger people to pursue some kinda of Utopian view of society. Often with a significant left wing slant. Living in a protected, almost womb like status of staying at home with no financial or personal responsibility..... No wonder we see so many young people aligning to the left when they haven't had any experience of the down side of trying to offer everything without fully understanding the cost that involves.

    I'd be interested in the views of the younger parts of OCUK and why think allowing 16's to vote would be at all sensible.

    Cheers,

    UL
     
  2. do_ron_ron

    Sgarrista

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    Not a younger member. I used to think that they should get a bit of life experience before voting but having just been through the Brexit Ref. and the reasons much older people used for voting I think that they could not be any worse than some people old enough to be their grandparents.

    It might also encourage them to vote in future elections.
     
  3. Rroff

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 13, 2006

    Posts: 60,240

    Personally I think no - even though there are some old people whose voting is very questionable and even though there are some younger people who are very aware politically and even geopolitics at a broader level.

    Many younger people don't see the value in things like defence, especially after the relative stability we've had over the last few decades and will often vote far more idealistically and short sightedly than even those 2-3 years older.
     
  4. Caged

    Capodecina

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    If we're taking the view that 16 year olds don't really know what they are doing, then we shouldn't be letting them commit themselves to the army for a six-year period either.
     
  5. ultralaser

    Hitman

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    I think they know what they are doing that's the not the question...... and I'd definitely agree that in now way should that it be acceptable to sign up for the military for 6 years!
     
  6. x-st

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jul 30, 2016

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    Personally I think the voting age should remain at 18 but....if a 16 year old can get married and join the army I have a hard time self rationalising my own argument.
     
  7. explicit4u

    Sgarrista

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    Why shouldn't they have some say in things like minimum wage, taxes, tuition fees, welfare etc etc. They will be directly affected by all of these over the course of the next few years of their life so they're entitled to a voice.

    And as a Lefty the more young people get involved and have a say in politics the better! :)
     
  8. Nasher

    Capodecina

    Joined: Nov 22, 2006

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    I think it's to young really. A 16 year old is easy to influence and they don't really know much about the world yet, 18 is probably even a bit young to make an informed decision.

    Yes a 16 year old can join the army, but you won't get posted off to a warzone at 16 and they have to have parental consent to join up.
     
  9. Safetytrousers

    Wise Guy

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    My political viewpoint was already set by the time I was 16, and it has never changed. Since voting is not compulsory for anyone, I would think only people who have some definite opinion would vote. Most people vote through blind political prejudice at any age anyway. So my gut feeling is that 16 year olds should be able to vote.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2017
  10. IronWarrior

    Mobster

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    Hell no.
     
  11. Uther

    Sgarrista

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    I'm all for it, looking at the way things have been going lately with supposedly wiser older people.
     
  12. mistersprinkles

    Wise Guy

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    Location: Oh Canada!

    Voting age in Canada is 18. When I think back about who I voted for when I was 18 (the socialists... which in and of itself is not bad, but the socialist party in canada, the NDP, is so inept it's not funny. They run massive deficits and destroy the economy of any province they are ever in control of) I kind of shudder. I didn't vote based on how it was going to affect me but rather based on misguided ideals that I sort of absorbed from family members without thinking for myself. I vote for the liberals now who are sort of right down the middle between left and right wing. I imagine I'll eventually get to a point where I just vote for whoever is going to lower my taxes hehe.

    The lady I voted for last time, who is Ontario's premier, has increased the minimum wage by $3 and made university tuition free for the poor. Both of these are socialist moves. But I agree with them because they are just. I'm paying higher taxes because of this which is offset by the fact that the sales tax was lowered by the previous prime minister, who was mostly a *****. Like I said I'm down the middle.

    Also our prime minister, who I also voted for, is legalizing marijuana on July 1st 2018 and he's quite the looker :p

    Cheers all. I can't sleep.
     
  13. Zefan

    Don

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    You're describing how most people vote there.
     
  14. mistersprinkles

    Wise Guy

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    I'm not going to disagree with you.
     
  15. Zefan

    Don

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    If you agree that the way you describe 16 year olds' voting mentality is the same as older people, it stands to reason that you also agree that 16 years olds are just as entitled to a vote.

    I personally think that it would be a fantastic idea, coupled with a proper education on the matter. I know that most GCSE students certainly know more about their respective GCSE subjects than their parents do, so why can't it be the same for this? It would be the perfect time to bring real information in to the mix, as opposed to what currently happens where your opinions are created solely through biased and twisted sources such as family and social media.
     
  16. RDM

    Capodecina

    Joined: Feb 1, 2007

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    Are 16/17 year olds going to vote predominately for my chosen party?

    Yes; allow them to vote!
    No; dont allow them to vote!

    Isn’t that how it should work?
     
  17. mistersprinkles

    Wise Guy

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    You're putting words in my mouth. I think that the mentality in question is less common the older the demographic.

    exactly. Bloody buggers are annoying enough shouting and blaring musics on their iPhones in mcdonalds as it is.
     
  18. Zefan

    Don

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    OK, I can understand that point of view. With that in mind, where do you think the minimum voting age should sit? Does your opinion just so happen to be in line with the status quo?
     
  19. FluffySheep

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    I work in a high school and I'd be in favour of dropping it to 16. Why shouldn't they be able to vote considering 5 years later they might be graduated, married with kids, paying taxes, been in a war zone, driving, smoking, drinking alcohol (legally!), saving for a pension and a whole raft of other adult bits that the government fiddles with.

    I think many people underestimate the understanding the 16/17 year olds have of the going ons around them and how they are affected and how they can affect the world.

    FluffySheep