Soldato
The bit where he deflects and says none of it is his problem?
Excuse me? At what point have I said it's not my problem?
The bit where he deflects and says none of it is his problem?
This country is way too soft on school kids, years ago back in about 2007 a gang of girl bullies all beat up a girl they had been bullying, some of them held her down while they took turns stamping on her head. This was outside the school gates and she ended up in a coma.
Do you know what they did to that gang, expelled them from the school obviously but not one of them was sent to young offenders even for a day.
They were given some type of probation officer / minder lady ( some really soft old dear ) and they were all trained as hair dressers with tax payers money.
I actually met them all with their minder while they were also being trained in basic IT, and the worst thing was it was kept secret from everyone around them what they had done. I only knew because some locals told me who they were and what the minder was for.
To this day i am sickened by how the system treated a very very serious assault
Yes it should be. Parents should also be liable.
The schools should be liable as well.
Exactly, if they did it out of school it would be a police matter, same if they were adults, there is no excuse for children causing misery to other children. It needs stopping.
There's a couple things, here.No comment on the actual punishment from the law but surely any resistance to say bullying is not a crime means bullying should be accepted daily practice.
Should we therefore encourage it if there is no deterrent to discourage it. Clearly telling kids to stop is never going to work.
May be skip the criminal part, just tie the culprits naked to a pole and throw eggs at them for the day. Get Biblical? You only need 1 be made an example out of and the bullying will stop.
Right? Of course that’s not the right thing to do.
I don’t think “they are just kids” is an excuse for bad behaviour, certainly not consistent and prolonged bullying. If it’s your kid getting his head kicked in at school, you want the bully to be punished too right?. If there is no punishment, then there is no consequence. People (and kids) needs to learn from a young age that their action have consequences. Right? The consequences might not be £45k fine or 10 years in prison, again, that’s down to smarter people to determine, like a judge to determine the level of punishment. But you cannot just turn a blind eye and say “it builds character”, it also builds character of the bully too, for him to think he can do bad things without punishment, even when caught. What kind of character does that build?
I understand the thinking of “oh you need to get tough, life is tough, be a man, grow some balls”. What’s next? Ask him to punch back? Ask him to keep taking the kicking throughout school? Or should there be a strong enough deterrent so that people do not commit the act in the first place?
I think that to resist to criminalise bullying is akin to encourage it. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. To do nothing for bullying…
Agreed. It used to be that home was a safe haven away from the bullies but nowadays there will doubtless be a snapchat group or whatever sharing photoshopped pics of someone, or a video of them being bullied, urinated on or whatever. Those getting bullied will suffer more exclusion whilst simultaneously re-enforcing the acts of the bullies. I mean when I was at school, people probably told jokes at my expense behind my back but I'd be oblivious to most them and only a small number of people would hear them rather than the whole year.The problem with bullying in schools is multifaceted and much worse than when I was a kid:
Social media and technology make bullying a 24/7 activity and can be significantly more cruel - no longer is humiliation limited to those that saw something.
and we got a clip round the ears for it.
Should bullying at schools be a criminal offense?
Naa it's only a problem if it bruises. Even though I'm too young to have had the cane at school (I'm 35), I believe it kept kids in check. I don't care what anyone says, violence is the most effect form of discipline. If not we wouldn't need an army. I'm not sure we ever had any kids stamping on other kids heads, but then again who knows going on the post above.That doesn't happen now. It's illegal to smack. And hit a kid in the head... asking for prison time there.
Bullies never prosper, so the saying goes.
Naa it's only a problem if it bruises. Even though I'm too young to have had the cane at school (I'm 35), I believe it kept kids in check. I don't care what anyone says, violence is the most effect form of discipline. If not we wouldn't need an army. I'm not sure we ever had any kids stamping on other kids heads, but then again who knows going on the post above.