Should I keep my 4070Ti Super or go AMD?

[Boleyn]

Hi all.

I'm trying to decide on a new GPU. I currently have an unopened 4070Ti Super but after watching several comparison videos I'm wondering if I made a mistake and should be looking at the Radeon 7900XT or even the XTX? I have a few weeks to return my 4070Ti Super if I decide to change. (I'm not interested in the 4080 Super)

From what I can discern from these videos is that the neutral games that are not optimised for either AMD or Nvidia seems to favour AMD.

The 7900XT is considerably cheaper than the 4070Ti Super and the XTX isn't that much more currently that the Ti Super.

One thing I did notice though is when upscaling is used, Nvidia pulls ahead quite considerably and apparently looks sharper but how often is DLSS or FSR actually used?

My main game is World of Warcraft in 4K (which doesn't use DLSS or FSR), I do play other games occasionally in either 2K or 4K and some VR with my Meta Quest 3, mainly sports games like golf or kayaking. I do want to get Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield when my system is updated.

My main priority is visual quality over performance, I want to be able to crank all the settings up for the best possible image.

My PC is a 7800X3D, 64GB DDR5 CL30 on a Asus ROG Strix B650E-F motherboard with a EVGA 1200W Platinum PSU.

Unfortunately I just don't know enough about GPU's to fully understand all the data mentioned in these videos like 1% lows e.t.c.

Thank you.

 

[Phixsator]

Well I wouldn't be buying anything at this point considering what is lurking around the end of the year. However, if I had to, I would look at what gave me the best performance per unit of currency spent, I would pick a budget and then see what would fit into it. Now one of the most important metrics for me personally is frame pacing or frame time consistency meaning I don't care about the average fps if there are individually rendered frames(the 0.1% lows) that are too low. It causes a microstutter effect and are to some(myself included) very apparent. I personally don't hold to much value in all the extra features such as ray tracing(unlike what some would have you believe we are fare from the majority of games requiring you have dedicated hardware for it), upscalers and the like. However, I would use them for deciding close competition. Some live and "die" by RT, I don't so it's a personal preference for sure. I've seen it, played with it and went "ehhh that it?". Upscalers would carry more weight in my book as they offer more performance when you need it for little to almost no loss in visuals(game/implementation depended) or good power savings.

If the choice is a 4070ti super or a rx 7900XT and more money in my pocket, I would personally pick the later. I like saving money, I prefer the AMD driver suite when on windows for my use cases and I like the frame pacing. That is all very subjective though and down to how I personally value different things.

 

[Tetras]

My main priority is visual quality over performance, I want to be able to crank all the settings up for the best possible image.

DLSS is still generally superior to FSR for image quality and normally has wider support and nvidia cards are still approximately 1 tier ahead of AMD when ray tracing is enabled, though being starved of VRAM doesn't help their performance in the longer-term.

 

[throwaway4372]

I reckon there's some overthinking going on here.
You have a 4070 Ti Super, it's a good card, use it.
... and breathe ...

 

[Boleyn]

Well I wouldn't be buying anything at this point considering what is lurking around the end of the year. However, if I had to, I would look at what gave me the best performance per unit of currency spent, I would pick a budget and then see what would fit into it. Now one of the most important metrics for me personally is frame pacing or frame time consistency meaning I don't care about the average fps if there are individually rendered frames(the 0.1% lows) that are too low. It causes a microstutter effect and are to some(myself included) very apparent. I personally don't hold to much value in all the extra features such as ray tracing(unlike what some would have you believe we are fare from the majority of games requiring you have dedicated hardware for it), upscalers and the like. However, I would use them for deciding close competition. Some live and "die" by RT, I don't so it's a personal preference for sure. I've seen it, played with it and went "ehhh that it?". Upscalers would carry more weight in my book as they offer more performance when you need it for little to almost no loss in visuals(game/implementation depended) or good power savings.

If the choice is a 4070ti super or a rx 7900XT and more money in my pocket, I would personally pick the later. I like saving money, I prefer the AMD driver suite when on windows for my use cases and I like the frame pacing. That is all very subjective though and down to how I personally value different things.

I'm not worried about saving money as such as I only really upgrade my PC every 4-5 years so I want to get it right first time.

I currently have a RTX 2070, I have no idea what's coming at the end of the year but I could wait although I would like to get it all out of the way as I'm building the new PC now.

Thank you.

 

[Boleyn]

DLSS is still generally superior to FSR for image quality and normally has wider support and nvidia cards are still approximately 1 tier ahead of AMD when ray tracing is enabled, though being starved of VRAM doesn't help their performance in the longer-term.

I think I need to look into Ray tracing a bit further, I'm not sure I know what it does properly. I know I have it on my 2070 and tried it in World of Warcraft but didn't notice any difference and turned it off.

Thank you.

 

[Boleyn]

I reckon there's some overthinking going on here.
You have a 4070 Ti Super, it's a good card, use it.
... and breathe ...

Without doubt

But I only upgrade my PC once every 4 or 5 years and want to get it right now, The 4070Ti Super is still in it's box and can easily be returned if a different card is more suitable for my needs.

Thank you.

 

[Aretak]

Depends on the price you paid really. I think at £800+ a 4070 Ti Super is a poor value proposition, but they have been available at ~£650 and potentially closer to £550 with cashback recently, so if you got in on that deal then I'd keep it. Otherwise you could get the majority of the performance from a 7800 XT for half the price. AMD vs Nvidia is irrelevant for WoW, since it doesn't and won't support DLSS or FSR3, just crappy old FSR1. But then it's not a game that you'd have to rely on upscaling for with this tier of card anyway. You're going to be CPU-bound the vast majority of the time.

 

[TheRealDeal]

So you don't really use dlss or Ray Tracing and bought a Nvidia card. Stick with what you have but in future if you are not using these features buy AMD as you will get a faster card for cheaper. No point in switching now as you would have to buy an xtx to get a decent upgrade. From the get go you should have bought a 7900xt as in normal use its just faster with plenty of Vram. Nvidia without dlss and there superior RT in use are a really bad buy.

 

[Gray2233]

Depends on the price you paid really. I think at £800+ a 4070 Ti Super is a poor value proposition, but they have been available at ~£650 and potentially closer to £550 with cashback recently, so if you got in on that deal then I'd keep it. Otherwise you could get the majority of the performance from a 7800 XT for half the price. AMD vs Nvidia is irrelevant for WoW, since it doesn't and won't support DLSS or FSR3, just crappy old FSR1. But then it's not a game that you'd have to rely on upscaling for with this tier of card anyway. You're going to be CPU-bound the vast majority of the time.

4070ti Supers have been available for around the £600-650 mark recently, which imo is the price they should have been at launch.

At that price vs say a 7900XT? I'd take the 4070tiS, I'm not opposed to RT and I find DLSS far preferable to FSR for my particular use case.

Also worth pointing out that the 4080S can be had for around £800 too at the moment, if the OP is still within a return window and he paid over the odds I'd absolutely do so.

 

[Boleyn]

So you don't really use dlss or Ray Tracing and bought a Nvidia card. Stick with what you have but in future if you are not using these features buy AMD as you will get a faster card for cheaper. No point in switching now as you would have to buy an xtx to get a decent upgrade. From the get go you should have bought a 7900xt as in normal use its just faster with plenty of Vram. Nvidia without dlss and there superior RT in use are a really bad buy.

The 4070Ti Super is still boxed and sealed and very easily returned so not too late yet.

My main concern is future proofing, I won't be changing this card for a good 4 or 5 years so if a 24GB VRam XTX is the better buy for the next 5 years over the 16GB VRam 4070Ti Super then I'll do that.

There are just so many pro's and con's hence this post.

No, I won't be using ray tracing or DLSS/FSR in World of Warcraft but I might in Baldur's Gate 3 or any other title that comes out in the next 5 years.

Thank you.

 

[Boleyn]

4070ti Supers have been available for around the £600-650 mark recently, which imo is the price they should have been at launch.

At that price vs say a 7900XT? I'd take the 4070tiS, I'm not opposed to RT and I find DLSS far preferable to FSR for my particular use case.

Also worth pointing out that the 4080S can be had for around £800 too at the moment, if the OP is still within a return window and he paid over the odds I'd absolutely do so.

Thank you, I'll look into it although I haven't seen any 4080S available at that price or the 4070Ti S either but then I only really look in two places, one being here.

 

[Gray2233]

Thank you, I'll look into it although I haven't seen any 4080S available at that price or the 4070Ti S either but then I only really look in two places, one being here.

The items I'm talking about aren't available on OCUK unfortunately, but there's various UK based deals websites that are worth keeping an eye on for various products (not just tech related either).

 

[Vexr]

I take it you're only playing at 4K? What refresh rate is your monitor?

I find the 7900 XT on point for max settings 4K60 and 3440x1440 @ 100 Hz with no FSR needed (RT off).

Pushing for higher FPS at those resolutions in AAA titles, I could see upscaling needing to be involved. FSR quality for 4K is a lot better than at lower resolutions, but DLSS would still be a distinct advantage.

16 GB of VRAM I don't think is too troubling (if keeping RT off), unlike the original 4070 Ti with 12 GB.

 

[ben1987]

It was a game based decision for me. If I was playing single player story type games with amazing visual effects and would’ve used ray tracing I’d have gone Nvidia.

As I tend to play online multiplayer games primarily FPS games I went with AMD (7900xtx) for its raw performance and absolutely love it.

I’ve had zero driver issues, it runs cool, I get ridiculous frame rates at max settings in the games I enjoy.

 

[Boleyn]

It was a game based decision for me. If I was playing single player story type games with amazing visual effects and would’ve used ray tracing I’d have gone Nvidia.

As I tend to play online multiplayer games primarily FPS games I went with AMD (7900xtx) for its raw performance and absolutely love it.

I’ve had zero driver issues, it runs cool, I get ridiculous frame rates at max settings in the games I enjoy.

Thank you.

I don't play any FPS games, on or offline but I do play World of Warcraft online.

My main priority is getting the absolute best visuals I can so it sounds like I should stick with Nvidia.

 

[Jae-So]

I reckon there's some overthinking going on here.
You have a 4070 Ti Super, it's a good card, use it.
... and breathe ...

Agreed

 

[AMDPower]

Honestly you have a 2080ti use that and wait for the rtx 5000 series card to release sometime late this year or early next year. Worst case scenario you can pick up amd 8800xt when it released this year for around the £500+ mark which is rumoured to be 4080 level performance or close to.

Its difficult to predict thing but if you are spending close to £1000 on a card then a 5080 will be your best bet specially if you don't plan to upgrade till 5 years from now. It should have 4090 level performance and that will age well over the years, much better than 4070ti would specially at 4k. That all depends on whether you don't require the performance now and can wait a few months.

 

[Boleyn]

Honestly you have a 2080ti use that and wait for the rtx 5000 series card to release sometime late this year or early next year. Worst case scenario you can pick up amd 8800xt when it released this year for around the £500+ mark which is rumoured to be 4080 level performance or close to.

Its difficult to predict thing but if you are spending close to £1000 on a card then a 5080 will be your best bet specially if you don't plan to upgrade till 5 years from now. It should have 4090 level performance and that will age well over the years, much better than 4070ti would specially at 4k. That all depends on whether you don't require the performance now and can wait a few months.

I have a 2070 right now which isn't great but it should last until the end of the year. When I posted this thread I wasn't aware any new cards were coming out this year.

I might just wait then and return the 4070Ti Super.

Thank you.

 

[AMDPower]

I have a 2070 right now which isn't great but it should last until the end of the year. When I posted this thread I wasn't aware any new cards were coming out this year.

I might just wait then and return the 4070Ti Super.

Thank you.

no problem , Its the most sensible thing to do tbh. 2070 is not the best but ITS good enough to play older games just fine at 4k. I played dark souls 3, dying light, tomb raider ect at 4k on a 1080ti which is similar to your 2070. There is lots of older titles worth playing if you have not that should hold you till the new cards are out. Normally I recommend to buy if you need and don't wait but new stuff is so close just not worth it dropping almost £1000.

good luck