Should I upgrade? Platform / 970 - 1070

opethdisciple · 21 Mar 2017 at 11:23

I game at 1920x1200p.

I have money for a full system upgrade so buying a new cpu/mobo/ram/gpu is not an issue.

I currently have a 3570k @ 4.4Ghz, 16Gb 1600Mhz ram and a GTX 970.

I've been debating a Ryzen 1700x upgrade. If I did this I'd probably get a GTX 1070 as well. All in all upgrade would probably cost 1K.

However other option is to keep existing platform and just get a 1070.

Not sure if current set up would hold back a 1070 or not. Also I used to think that a 1070 would be wasted at 1200p, but it seems games coming out this year are making the 1070 look more like a 1080p card rather than a 1440p card!

For 1440p ideally you need a 1080.

What would you do?

Will I get a way with just an upgrade to a 1070?

Concerns of mine are in the BF1, DX12 is a no go. It's stutters and janks. Is that CPU or GPU issue? In Doom, Vulkan was a no go. Felt worse than OpenGL did.

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I know I should wait for Vega, but to be honest I cant see my self buying a AMD card.

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On the flipside a Freesync monitor is appealing based on price, but then that means upgrading monitor as well.

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So is my current CPU good for another year to power a 1070 in the latest titles? Or should I just go the whole hog and get a Ryzen based setup?

Looking at the recommended specs for current AAA games it seems they are advising cpus in the 3770k - 8350 class. Surely my 3570k @ 4.4Ghz is in that class too?

It doesn't have 8 threads, but it has a faster clock speed.

subbytna · 21 Mar 2017 at 11:33

That CPU is still fine. Get yourself a 1070 and keep saving until something else comes out that smashes the boundaries.

OR

Upgrade to an i7 version of that chipset and get the added benefits of hyperthreading in games, with a new GPU

BS Dave · 21 Mar 2017 at 11:46

2700k and cheapest 1070 you can find i say. Don't get hung up on dx12/vulkan, it's not great on nvidia but dx11 is great anyway. 2700k will only cost you 40 quid once you sell your 3570k, and if you really wanted to save money just get a 2nd hand 980ti, then keep money in the bank for volta and reall dx12 gains (hopefully)

subbytna · 21 Mar 2017 at 15:50

A 980Ti is still a hugely powerful card.

Kaapstad · 21 Mar 2017 at 15:56

Best upgrade for 1K

GTX 1080 Ti + secondhand 3770k.

And you will be left with quite a bit of change.

arc@css · 21 Mar 2017 at 15:59

Unless you need the extra benefits that hyperthreading/more cores bring, then I'd keep the CPU you have as it's still a very fine one.

I think the 2700K suggestion is a very good idea. You could consider dropping one of those in and buying either a 1070 or sticking in a second-hand 980Ti.

BS Dave · 21 Mar 2017 at 16:18

subbytna said:
A 980Ti is still a hugely powerful card.

I have one and it's just as quick in benches as an Overclockers 1070.

If he went that route, plus the 2700k/3770k once he's sold his 970 and 3570k the upgrade will have only cost about £200.

opethdisciple · 21 Mar 2017 at 16:29

So you think as of 2017 the difference between a 3570k and a 3770k is actually large enough now to consider being worthwhile?

It used to be the fact there wasn't much difference between the two in games.

BS Dave · 21 Mar 2017 at 17:20

silversurfer · 21 Mar 2017 at 17:25

subbytna said:
That CPU is still fine. Get yourself a 1070 and keep saving until something else comes out that smashes the boundaries.

OR

Upgrade to an i7 version of that chipset and get the added benefits of hyperthreading in games, with a new GPU

Wait till xmas 2017 and get the ryzen Vega chip and kill two birds with one silicon chip. 1080p needs more then a 970 ?

BF1 loves lots of threads, you can observe the cpu graphs to see or use afterburner and it will display it OSD.

Your cpu is letting you down looks like
http://www.game-debate.com/cpu/inde...ore i5-3570K 3.4GHz-vs-Intel Xeon E5-2628L v2

Davedree · 21 Mar 2017 at 17:29

opethdisciple said:
So you think as of 2017 the difference between a 3570k and a 3770k is actually large enough now to consider being worthwhile?

It used to be the fact there wasn't much difference between the two in games.

in modern, multi threaded games it makes a big difference to smoothness and gpu utilization.
It's also a very cheap upgrade for you (2600k/3770k).

Plec · 21 Mar 2017 at 18:31

opethdisciple said:
For 1440p ideally you need a 1080.

What would you do?

Will I get a way with just an upgrade to a 1070?

I've got an aging 2500K clocked at 4.5Ghz and have just recently paired it with an MSI GTX 1070 Armour OC in preparation for a new build. I game at 1440p and have found I can run all my games on Ultra without any issues. BF1 will run smoothly at 60FPS Vsync or fluctuate between 60 - 80 FPS. Doom runs at over 120 FPS as does Shadow of Mordor.

I was going to update MB and chip in a couple of months time but I'm so impressed with the systems performance - despite the loss of 15 - 20 FPS due to my system bottlenecking the card - that i'm going to wait until the Autumn when i'll pass this system onto my daughter.

opethdisciple · 21 Mar 2017 at 19:06

silversurfer said:
Wait till xmas 2017 and get the ryzen Vega chip and kill two birds with one silicon chip. 1080p needs more then a 970 ?

BF1 loves lots of threads, you can observe the cpu graphs to see or use afterburner and it will display it OSD.

Your cpu is letting you down looks like
http://www.game-debate.com/cpu/index.php?pid=902&pid2=2022&compare=Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz-vs-Intel Xeon E5-2628L v2

Also I looked at the game benchmarks over at Guru3d and it looks like for modern titles, a 1070 will give you ~70fps at 1080p and use more than 3+ Gb of Vram. Things that would be a limitation with my 970.

opethdisciple · 21 Mar 2017 at 19:07

Plec said:
I've got an aging 2500K clocked at 4.5Ghz and have just recently paired it with an MSI GTX 1070 Armour OC in preparation for a new build. I game at 1440p and have found I can run all my games on Ultra without any issues. BF1 will run smoothly at 60FPS Vsync or fluctuate between 60 - 80 FPS. Doom runs at over 120 FPS as does Shadow of Mordor.

I was going to update MB and chip in a couple of months time but I'm so impressed with the systems performance - despite the loss of 15 - 20 FPS due to my system bottlenecking the card - that i'm going to wait until the Autumn when i'll pass this system onto my daughter.

Good to know. I guess as long as my 3570k can push the 1070 to stay over 60fps it doesn't matter too much as my monitor is 60 hertz and tears like crazy.

Plec · 21 Mar 2017 at 19:31

opethdisciple said:
Good to know. I guess as long as my 3570k can push the 1070 to stay over 60fps it doesn't matter too much as my monitor is 60 hertz and tears like crazy.

I've only got a gen 2 PCIe slot too - you should have a gen 3 so you should get a decent additional extra boost over my system.

Definitely worth considering trying out in your present system as you could still do your full upgrade if it's not as fast as you hoped - but i think you'll be pleasantly surprised, especially knowing you will get at additional FPS when you upgrade in the future...

ossieclap · 21 Mar 2017 at 19:38

Davedree said:
in modern, multi threaded games it makes a big difference to smoothness and gpu utilization.
It's also a very cheap upgrade for you (2600k/3770k).

Used 3770k on fleabay are trending at ~£150 atm. Not sure about the value there....especially since we're only a few weeks away from Ryzen 5......

Davedree · 21 Mar 2017 at 19:44

ossieclap said:
Used 3770k on fleabay are trending at ~£150 atm. Not sure about the value there....especially since we're only a few weeks away from Ryzen 5......

selling the 3570k 60-70, 2600k are around 100 = 40ish quid upgrade. 3770k = 90ish quid upgrade.
Sure sell the lot and buy into an r5 system but that's not going to be cheaper when factoring in am4 board, ddr4 memory and the the r5.

ossieclap · 21 Mar 2017 at 19:56

People will always pay a slight premium for the added convenience of keeping existing motherboards. When this is apparent then any value for the buyer diminishes.

Davedree said:
selling the 3570k 60-70, 2600k are around 100 = 40ish quid upgrade. 3770k = 90ish quid upgrade.
Sure sell the lot and buy into an r5 system but that's not going to be cheaper when factoring in am4 board, ddr4 memory and the the r5.

It's not going to be cheaper but will be better value for money in the long run.

I'm in the same boat as the op and it came to the conclusion that buying a used 3770k wasn't worth it. Not for gaming at least. Most older games will yield no benefit. Future titles that would hopefully utilize more cores/threads will be scuppered by the DDR3 ram.

I'd personally buy a 1070 now then save for a modern i7 once the 3570k becomes unbearable....which shouldn't be for quite a while yet.

opethdisciple · 21 Mar 2017 at 19:59

Davedree said:
selling the 3570k 60-70, 2600k are around 100 = 40ish quid upgrade. 3770k = 90ish quid upgrade.
Sure sell the lot and buy into an r5 system but that's not going to be cheaper when factoring in am4 board, ddr4 memory and the the r5.

Hmm good thing you reminded me about the R5. Not sure about buying a second hand 3770k. It's not my style to be honest. I can see the merit in it but it's a 5 year old CPU now and probably not that much of an upgrade from my existing CPU.

DONOHUE07 · 21 Mar 2017 at 20:08

Honesty, while the 1070 is a better card, I don't see the point buying one at this point, it's been out awhile and there's always something out around the corner. It's the age old PC builders question 'should I wait?' I'm a strong believer in if I'm going to upgrade from what I have, I'll upgrade at the start of a new generation of components to avoid the dreaded buyers remorse, you could end up with the 1070, and it is a brilliant card make no mistake about that, but, what if AMD's Vega, say the 580 is better and cheaper, and by going off the 480, I would say it's likely to out perform it in Vulkan and DX12 by some distance.

I would hold on to what you have, for just a little while yet