Sick days off work: how many is too many per year ?
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Caporegime
The sickness has stolen your punctuation and grammar skills.
Soldato
Most companies use the Bradford Factor for sickness - so will base any 'discussions' in those rules; you will trip an HR warning or whatever, based on the number of instances of absence, rather than the duration. One instance of 2 weeks off, is better than 5 instances of 2 days off.
Edit: the views on sickness will vary from employer to employer too.
Soldato
Rightly or wrongly, companies often use the Bradford Factor:
The Bradford Factor is calculated as follows:
Where:
The Bradford Factor is calculated as follows:
Where:
- B is the Bradford Factor
- S is the total number of spells (instances) of absence of an individual over a set period
- D is the total number of days of absence of that individual over the same set period.
Caporegime
5 different occasions or more than 10 days in any given 12 months period. Whichever comes first...then you would get a disciplinary meeting with HR at my last work place.
Mine use the Bradford with 3 max sicknesses a year.
Fell foul of it 4 years ago, had a chest infection then a bad dose of food poisoning. Then about 6 months later I got t boned in the van cracking a couple of ribs and breaking my upper arm.
Que a meeting with hr about how much time I was sick whilst my are was pinned and I was high on drugs for my chest..
Fell foul of it 4 years ago, had a chest infection then a bad dose of food poisoning. Then about 6 months later I got t boned in the van cracking a couple of ribs and breaking my upper arm.
Que a meeting with hr about how much time I was sick whilst my are was pinned and I was high on drugs for my chest..
Soldato
Bradford factor is reasonable, then with employer defined thresholds for review and take action, and some human empathy on top to look at individual cases.
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our work place has a rolling 12 months allowance of 7 days for self certification. Any more than that and you have to have a doctors note.
As you can imagine, this causes issues...... for instance, i may take 2 days off work for a stinking cold, and then another couple off for a sickness bug.
that leaves me 3 days left that i am allowed to self cert so all of a sudden if i am ill again, i am in the position of needing a doctors not for something which is really trivial or risk running out of sickdays. With doctors already being massively over stretched, they do not need their time wasted by people asking for doctors notes.
So what tends to happen is people come into work with full blown manflu when really they should be home and keeping their bugs to themselves imo. They/I are/am generally unproductive and irritate the rest of the office esp those who sit near us who do not want to get ill.
luckily i do not get ill that often and usually only have 3 or 4 days a year off sick.
OTOH we used to have a member of staff who regularly would brag about going clubbing over the weekend in london or what not. her sick day was even given a name (a <insert her name here> Monday). This was before the rolling 7 days came in. I like to think we should be able to work on trust, but sadly that often does not work out well, but i do think the system we have now is a bit too harsh TBH.
As you can imagine, this causes issues...... for instance, i may take 2 days off work for a stinking cold, and then another couple off for a sickness bug.
that leaves me 3 days left that i am allowed to self cert so all of a sudden if i am ill again, i am in the position of needing a doctors not for something which is really trivial or risk running out of sickdays. With doctors already being massively over stretched, they do not need their time wasted by people asking for doctors notes.
So what tends to happen is people come into work with full blown manflu when really they should be home and keeping their bugs to themselves imo. They/I are/am generally unproductive and irritate the rest of the office esp those who sit near us who do not want to get ill.
luckily i do not get ill that often and usually only have 3 or 4 days a year off sick.
OTOH we used to have a member of staff who regularly would brag about going clubbing over the weekend in london or what not. her sick day was even given a name (a <insert her name here> Monday). This was before the rolling 7 days came in. I like to think we should be able to work on trust, but sadly that often does not work out well, but i do think the system we have now is a bit too harsh TBH.
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That's quite high
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really? there are a lot of people at this place who would be sending massive alarm bells ringing then!.
just 1 douse of norovirus can wipe you out for a week (officially you are not meant to go to work until 48hrs AFTER symptoms have passed). (I was tested however and have an fairly strong immunity to it, so must remember never to use that one as an excuse)
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Had 1 day off sick in the past 4 years and that was due to barely being able to walk with a bad back. However being able to work remotely if required helps in this regard.
Previous place used the above Bradford thing.
Previous place used the above Bradford thing.
Depends on the situation where I work - if you end up in hospital or have a recognised significant condition then they will try to accommodate it but if someone is constantly taking odd days or multiple instances of several days/weeks off then they'll be asked to have a meeting with a manager after around 10 days or 3 blocks.
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I've never had a day off sick in over 15 years. In that time I've only missed four and half days due to family emergencies etc.
Soldato
1. Who wants to be sick?
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That sounds great and all, however depending on your job, you either have the constitution of an ox, or you have been in work and spread the love on some occasions then. I dunno, its a tough balancing act but i would rather people keep their contagions to themselves rather than spread them around my team. Caught a very nasty virus off someone at work just before going on my hols a few years back. totally ruined half my holiday.
My last place would pay your up to a month each year as sickness. they were quite lenient but would look for patterns in high volumes of sickness.
They accommodated a month of for me in 2016 for acute anxiety and helped me ease back into work over the course of another month (changing my responsibilities and raised them until I was at full load again - I was at work full time during the transition back).
In my current role I'm not 100% certain, but I've not been off yet.
They accommodated a month of for me in 2016 for acute anxiety and helped me ease back into work over the course of another month (changing my responsibilities and raised them until I was at full load again - I was at work full time during the transition back).
In my current role I'm not 100% certain, but I've not been off yet.
Agreed on this. I've seen people 'Man it up' and come in, only to give whatever they had to about 10 people and they all needed time off.