Similar, but not copied, image found to breach copyright

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http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/25/Imitated_Image_Copyright_Case

Amateur Photographer magazine has published an interesting story about a copyright infringement case of similar, but not directly copied, images. The issue of copyright is thorny, contentious and often misunderstood but this case sheds some light on the current attitude of courts in the UK. Despite significant differences between the two images (there was no implication that the second image was a duplicate of the first), the court found that the second image copied substantially from the 'intellectual creation' of the first (that is the elements that can be protected by copyright in the original image, including a consideration of the composition, lighting and processing of the image).

Amateur Photographer quotes photographic copyright expert Charles Swan as saying: 'The judgement should be studied by anyone imitating an existing photograph or commissioning a photograph based on a similar photograph.'



The judge concluded that the claimant (Justin Fielder)'s image is original and that the intellectual creation resided both in the compositional elements of the image and the contrast aspects. Specifically, Judge Birss QC highlighted two visual contrasts: 'one between the bright red bus and the monochrome background, and the other between the blank white sky and the rest of the photograph.'

He also took into account the evidence that Mr Houghton was aware of Mr Fielder's image (the two had previously been to court when they had failed to reach a licensing agreement over Houghton's previous infringement of Fielder's copyright), to conclude the similarities were causally related.

In the end, Birss said a difficult decision hinged on a 'qualitative assessment of the reproduced elements.' He defined Fielder's image a 'photographic work,' as distinct from a simply a photograph, in that 'its appearance is the product of deliberate choices and also deliberate manipulations by the author,' and concluded that those aspects had been copied.

Judge Birss also said that a series of images showing buses on Westminster Bridge and of red London icons on monochrome backgrounds submitted by Houghton 'worked against them because the collection has served to emphasize how different ostensibly independent expressions of the same idea actually look.
 
i saw this and i can see why the judge ruled in favour of the original photo. aprt from the arrangement of items, the items are very similar, the processing is almost identical. to me he wanted to recreate the shot as much as possible.

whilst i can see why the jusge did it, who doesnt try and go for a certain effect. which has been done before. however shot b is not inpsired by shot A, shot B is trying to recreate shot A, IMVHO. Its almost when you see clones of clothing, they are close enough to be mistaken but far enough apart to be told apart.
 
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I think the "copied" picture is nicer than the "original" :/

Interesting read... I would go against the judge... The photograph taken by Nick Houghton is very different from Justin Fielder's in respects to composition. He was a fair distance from the spot where the original was photographed thus it changed the perspective enough to make it a new photograph. I know some people will disagree as the argument "how far away do you have to be from the original spot a photo was taken to make it a new photo".

As for the processing... Monochrome with only the red bus highlighted... Sure, no one has ever done that before :roll eyes:





p.s. as always, i know nothing :/
 
As the article says, this all comes down to "the similarities [being] causally related".

Imagine an agency approaches you and asks if they can use your photo on a tin of sweets (which is what this looks like). You say sure, it'll be £2,000. They laugh all the way back to their boardroom and commission another photographer to replicate your shot for £1,00. You see it slapped everywhere and for the the exact same project yours was supposed to be used on. You'd surely feel cheated, and rightly so.

Strangely, if you take the images out of the equation it's even more obvious, ie imagine they're two pitches for ideas for a photo. They'd be almost 100% identical.
 
yeah this is the issue, if you read the whole thing you'll see that this has been going on for ages. Tin seller one makes a tin with a nice image on it. Tin seller 2 who sells tins in the stall right next to seller 1 gets some images from stock site then photoshops them together to produce a very similar image and puts it on his tin to sell. Tin seller one tells him to license the image or stop it, tine seller 2 says no, goes to court, then goes to court again. Tin seller 2 is found in the wrong.

This isn't anything to do with an actual photographer taking a unique picture. It's one tin seller stealing the unique selling point of another sellers tin then selling it right next to it.

95% of the comments on the dpreview article are hilarious, none of them have bothered to read what's actually happened and have started talking about normal people taking snap shots getting sued :D
 
Why are the comments hilarious? I haven't read them as don't have time now, but a quick look at the two photos and to me they are completely different. I don't understand how that can be seen to be copyright? Are all images of red buses in front of big ben now copyright? I'm thinking I have missed something. I will read it all later.
 
because it's not really about 2 unique images, one of them is fake as well, the bus has been put there from another image. I think what the images are being used for is more in question ie they are being put on to 2 competing tins which are sold in stalls right next to each other. They have already been to court about it before where tin seller 2 was offered a licensing fee which they refused so it's clear that they are thought of as a copy of an item already in sale.
 
Why are the comments hilarious? I haven't read them as don't have time now, but a quick look at the two photos and to me they are completely different. I don't understand how that can be seen to be copyright? Are all images of red buses in front of big ben now copyright? I'm thinking I have missed something. I will read it all later.

No, because they're not causally related.

Why do they have to be 100% identical? If Joe Bloggs pitched the idea of a dog drumming for an advert, and subsequently Cadbury went and commissioned a gorilla drumming, Joe would still have an IP case.
 
I think we all know the defendant was taking the mickey,

However, just for arguments sake, what if they both saw this on a poster in a shop..

http://www.easyart.com/art-prints/Anonymous/London---Westminster-Bridge-Bus-416493.html


I could understand if the image was the brand 'image' of a company etc, but as it is, it looks like a commonly themed image of a london 'icon' that exists far too prevalently to claim it's somehow copyrighted for use on souvenirs. Hell, the claimant admitted he only had the idea of the art style from watching Schindlers List etc, it just doesn't sound unique enough to my ears.. There are many images of buses on Westminster bridge that are copyrighted from alsorts of similar but different perspectives, will the floodgates be opening?

Even though I don't like scroats being obvious with their plaguerism, I think the Judge has it very very wrong from what I've read so far..

All IMO of course.
 
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I've read the articles and I still think the Judge was wrong

It is too common an image for anyone to claim as their own even when taken for a specific purpose

Its potentially going to end up wasting a great deal of court time in future cases
 
I think the "copied" picture is nicer than the "original" :/

Interesting read... I would go against the judge... The photograph taken by Nick Houghton is very different from Justin Fielder's in respects to composition. He was a fair distance from the spot where the original was photographed thus it changed the perspective enough to make it a new photograph. I know some people will disagree as the argument "how far away do you have to be from the original spot a photo was taken to make it a new photo".

As for the processing... Monochrome with only the red bus highlighted... Sure, no one has ever done that before :roll eyes:




p.s. as always, i know nothing :/

Completely agree with you, this judgement should be overturned as it's a load of crap. There is an old image of a selective colour red bus in my local cafe that's no more different than in this case, so does that mean him, and another 1000 tog's are breaching this guy's copyright?
I just hope someone has who has taken a similar shot before this guy, see's what a douche this guy is being and takes him to court as a matter or principal.
 
No, because they're not causally related.

Why do they have to be 100% identical? If Joe Bloggs pitched the idea of a dog drumming for an advert, and subsequently Cadbury went and commissioned a gorilla drumming, Joe would still have an IP case.

What if Harry who isn't aware of any of this, pitches the idea of a Cat drumming to Thorntons, and Thorntons use it. Should JB still have an IP case?

Copyright law needs some serious amendments imo...
 
Copyright law needs some serious amendments imo...

100% agree

They are taking the micky I saw both photos and think it is a case for the law to seriously be looked into and this judge is a total joke by the looks of it and should be looked into too.

Every picture and creative touch at some point has been done and there is nothing wrong with liking someone image style and trying to copy it and add your own style and creativity to it. I would have agreed with the judge if it was a 100% clone of the original but it's clearly not.:mad:
 
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Exactly, most of us could knowingly or un-knowingly be taken to court for breach of copyright, as I'm sure most of our work is very similar to someone else's work somewhere in the world. If this becomes the 'norm' there will be nowhere left to photograph without the potential to get into a court case, which is just wrong...
 
Surely if you modify an image then it comes your image as it is no longer the same image?

But to what extent do you have to modify it?
 
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