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Since when did CCC become obligatory in ATI drivers?

Jimbo Mahoney

Jimbo Mahoney

Jimbo Mahoney

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Was just about to download Cat 6.2's when I noticed that the CCC is not as much of an optional download anymore.

I know I can download the Display Drivers only, but I assume that they won't give me any access to 3D Settings, like FSAA and AA?

Is the best way to download just the Display Drivers and use ATI Tray Tools to adjust settings?

Thanks!
 
I don't quite understand the CCC hatred, if you just choose the "all settings" thingy-me-doo-dah it looks no different to any other way of choosing options!
 
Jimbo Mahoney said:
Was just about to download Cat 6.2's when I noticed that the CCC is not as much of an optional download anymore.

I know I can download the Display Drivers only, but I assume that they won't give me any access to 3D Settings, like FSAA and AA?

Is the best way to download just the Display Drivers and use ATI Tray Tools to adjust settings?

Thanks!
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Last official control panel was 5.12, but for some reason its tricky to get on ati site, with 5.11 + cp easier to find.

U can get modded installs, like 6.2 with cp from NGO:
http://www.warp2search.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=27580

Omega 6.2 uses ccc, 6.1 uses CP.
http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Mod ** own:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33839451


The thing about CCC is that its just too much to go wrong. I swapped drivers 5 times and reinstalled once before I realised my "skating on ice" problem in online FPS was due to ATItool and fan speed changing. I only used one little tray app and that was the killer. Its been similar throughout my experience as a PC gamer. The less junk apps, will give less chance of conflict and less cpu cycles wasted.

The fact that driver settings are all registry based (apart from the new catalyst AI, which ATI have not gone out of their way to promote its virtues), really no memory residual program should be used at all, not even one that use 300k memory, its just not required.

Considering my experiences from nforce2 irq assignment and pci latency on the KR7A-133 (also related to irqs), its been common to get stuttering ect. without tweaking ** setup to remove it.

Im actually using 5.13 CCC atm, still realing from the ATItool "ice walking" effect which was not just an isolated problem:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33845878

I mean I even had to get rid of Nvidia firewall as it was using 100% cpu whilst in america's army server browser.

This is just illustrating why its so irritating to be forced to use a strange bloatware program which could potentially mean spending hours beta testing wth is wrong with ** PC when its not even necessary to use it.
 
It didn't, if you don't want to use it then just install the drivers, and then an old CP from a previous set, or use ATi Tray Tools. :)

I don't know why everyone gets so worked up about the .NET, Nvidia are going to use it as well, just ATi started using it first, and besides as ive said you don't have to use it if you don't want to. :D

Ppl need to realise that the CCC is not forced on you, its not obligatory, if you don't want to use it, then don't its that simple. :)
 
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welshtom said:
it uses a lot of system resources thats why its hated.

bloatware to the max!!
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er dude.... what are you on about? Every time you load up your computer, do you load the CCC and keep it open? if so... then it uses about as much resource as an iexplorer window.
If you do the sensible thing of open it once.... change ** settings and never touch again... it uses 8mb tops. I dunno if you have ever actually used it, or you just read some tripe on other forums, but it uses hardly any resources. bloatware? lol.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
It didn't, if you don't want to use it then just install the drivers, and then an old CP from a previous set, or use ATi Tray Tools. :)

I don't know why everyone gets so worked up about the .NET, Nvidia are going to use it as well, just ATi started using it first, and besides as ive said you don't have to use it if you don't want to. :D

Ppl need to realise that the CCC is not forced on you, its not obligatory, if you don't want to use it, then don't its that simple. :)
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I realise it's not 'obligatory', but if you don't download it, presumably you get no access to advanced 3D features.

I think I'll do the standard Driver download and use ATI Tray Tools.
 
Goksly said:
er dude.... what are you on about? Every time you load up your computer, do you load the CCC and keep it open? if so... then it uses about as much resource as an iexplorer window.
If you do the sensible thing of open it once.... change ** settings and never touch again... it uses 8mb tops. I dunno if you have ever actually used it, or you just read some tripe on other forums, but it uses hardly any resources. bloatware? lol.
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So u admit that u change ** settings once and then leave it alone till u change driver? Then why does it sit in memory when not needed? 8Mb is at idle, and several processes add up. There are possible conflicts (as in my previous post), and the only thing ccc has that CP doesnt is cat AI.

As for having a choice - there is currently no first party choice, other than to be able to interface with driver settings or not. Ofcource when u discover a bug and ATI find u are not running CCC, they will be quick to play the "unsupported" card.
 
CCC isn't that bad anymore.. certainly a lot quicker to use than the first few versions :)
 
megatron: the ccc is just a fancy interface to the registry. Im not exactly sure what it does while running idle, but I have started a game and checked and the usage flicks up and down by a few hundred k.
I do know that when I installed the CCC and forgot to install .Net my computer didnt die and death and games still played fine -> so if you really dont like it I would assume it would be ok to remove it from starting up (although i wouldnt recommend this :p).
Either way... its not the resource hog people complain about. Yeah it goes up to 30mb or so when you actually open it (you try and find a .Net program that doesnt...) but who leaves it open while they play games? tis an overreaction to change.
 
Golsky, in welshtom's defence, the CCC with only .NET 1.1 installed is a lot more bloaty than with both .NET 1.1 and 2.0 installed which really reduces the RAM usage. I think the difference is something like 20MB per CLI.exe vs 4MB per CLI.exe (2 load up).
 
1.1 and 2.0 run side by side.

so if you use visual studio 2003 to develop in you dont have to migrate to .NET 2.0 because it doesnt update 1.1 it runs side by side.

it makes things easier for developers to carry on with 2003 if they want and try out the new .NET (2005) without changing their environment.
 
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