Skylake-X Lineup Leaked: i9-7980XE 18 Core Flagship Processor

[gavinh87]

the 1800x falls behind sandy bridge more often than not

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...iew-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks?showall=1

it's slower than Haswell, broadwell, skylake and kabylake, soon to be coffeelake too.

so ryzen is only 5 gens behind instead of 10 gens behind Intel

Except most other decent sites show that its 10% behind kabylake. So if its 5 gens behind intel has been milking you for 2% per gen



Take away the clock speed advantage and there is nothing in it.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1500X/

 

[Vladislav]

the 1800x falls behind sandy bridge more often than not

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...iew-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks?showall=1

it's slower than Haswell, broadwell, skylake and kabylake, soon to be coffeelake too.

so ryzen is only 5 gens behind instead of 10 gens behind Intel

And you are conveniently quoting a Ryzen review form 2nd of march? When all reviewers been testing Ryzen with 2133 mhz memory? LOL Do you live under the rock or somethning? Ryzen got optimised and updated since then a lot and memory was improved by a mile.

 

[zornyan]

And you are conveniently quoting a Ryzen review form 2nd of march? When all reviewers been testing Ryzen with 2133 mhz memory? LOL Do you live under the rock or somethning? Ryzen got optimised and updated since then a lot and memory was improved by a mile.

sobwhat you're saying is if you spend far more money on ram for Samsung b die, and pray that it works with ryzens terrible imc, you can gain have more i7 than i5 levels of performance from the 1800x...

https://youtu.be/UIIb5uZfukU

real world workflow using 16 threads, 4ghz 5960x vs 4ghz 1800x, 1800x is slower, not accounting the fact the 5960x can clock another 500-600mhz higher.

 

[zornyan]

https://youtu.be/kyz2gkyIoXI
some overclocker at computex got a 7900x, 4.5ghz on all cores at 1.15v! ******* insane performance and that's well below skylakes 1.4v threshold.

 

[jaffveyda]

https://youtu.be/kyz2gkyIoXI
some overclocker at computex got a 7900x, 4.5ghz on all cores at 1.15v! ******* insane performance and that's well below skylakes 1.4v threshold.

I smell intel fanboi. Like a wise man once said, it's all fake news my friend.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

10% behind clock for clock on average and 10-15% lower clock speeds.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cinebench_-_r15/rankings?cores=10#start=0#interval=20

the new cinebench scores show skylake x definitely has about 15% ipc over broadwell e, if you take away the 300mhz difference (approx 100) you're roughly seeing a 15% clock on clock over broadwell e, which means that Intel are correct and skylake x should have higher ipc than skylake s

Interting you should link that since Ryzen at 5364Mhz beats a 6044 Mhz Haswell-E.
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cinebench_-_r15/rankings?start=0#interval=20#cores=8#start=0

What we see in your results is that
7900X @ 5600Mhz = 3104
6950X @ 5330Mhz = 2878

That's 8% faster while being clocked 5% faster. So where is this 15% IPC improvement?

 

[gavinh87]

sobwhat you're saying is if you spend far more money on ram for Samsung b die, and pray that it works with ryzens terrible imc, you can gain have more i7 than i5 levels of performance from the 1800x...

https://youtu.be/UIIb5uZfukU

real world workflow using 16 threads, 4ghz 5960x vs 4ghz 1800x, 1800x is slower, not accounting the fact the 5960x can clock another 500-600mhz higher.

5960x is also what? Double the price!? You are deluded my friend.
You want to compare with ryzen a 7700k with games but want to compare a 5690x with media creation.......

 

[N19h7m4r3]

sobwhat you're saying is if you spend far more money on ram for Samsung b die, and pray that it works with ryzens terrible imc, you can gain have more i7 than i5 levels of performance from the 1800x...

https://youtu.be/UIIb5uZfukU

real world workflow using 16 threads, 4ghz 5960x vs 4ghz 1800x, 1800x is slower, not accounting the fact the 5960x can clock another 500-600mhz higher.

Or that the Ryzen system had Maxwell Titans, compared to the GTX 1080s in the Intel machines. Which are faster and speed up rendering more.

As Puget systems found in testing Premiere Pro with graphics cards.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/GTX-1070-and-GTX-1080-Premiere-Pro-Performance-810/

Dending on Premiere Pro workload.

The GTX 1080 is about 4% faster than the GTX 980Ti and about 6.5% faster than the Titan X

The GTX 1080, on the other hand, was about 2% faster than the GTX 980Ti and about 10.5% faster than the Titan X.

 

[zornyan]

Interting you should link that since Ryzen at 5364Mhz beats a 6044 Mhz Haswell-E.
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cinebench_-_r15/rankings?start=0#interval=20#cores=8#start=0

What we see in your results is that
7900X @ 5600Mhz = 3104
6950X @ 5330Mhz = 2878

That's 8% faster while being clocked 5% faster. So where is this 15% IPC improvement?

choose the lower score skylake vs highest scored broadwell?

if you actually look though the rest of the scores without cherry picking, you can calculate on average how much the cpu gains from 100mhz and go from there, which shows about 13-15% faster clock for clock than broadwell. I know you wont, but still.

I smell intel fanboi. Like a wise man once said, it's all fake news my friend.

fake news, with a cinebench run shown right infront of you, from an overclocker at computex?

smells like an amd fanboy that doesn't like being second class...

 

[zornyan]

5960x is also what? Double the price!? You are deluded my friend.
You want to compare with ryzen a 7700k with games but want to compare a 5690x with media creation.......

compare to the new 7820x then, which is only £100 more than the 1800x, yet offers faster ipc and much higher clock speeds.

 

[gavinh87]

compare to the new 7820x then, which is only £100 more than the 1800x, yet offers faster ipc and much higher clock speeds.

We don't even know if that it the price. Even so, the 1700 is the one to go for which makes intel look even more expensive.
Faster IPC? Meh its all miniscule with every gen on intel.
Good look with overclocking these new chips without delidding and decent watercooling.

Your comment about being second class is funny. I have no problem with being "second class" if my 1700 can get on the heels of a 5690x for a third of the price!

 

[N19h7m4r3]

choose the lower score skylake vs highest scored broadwell?

if you actually look though the rest of the scores without cherry picking, you can calculate on average how much the cpu gains from 100mhz and go from there, which shows about 13-15% faster clock for clock than broadwell. I know you wont, but still.

fake news, with a cinebench run shown right infront of you, from an overclocker at computex?

smells like an amd fanboy that doesn't like being second class...

You want to compared IPC aka Clock for Clock. I just did that.
Or is your comparison NOT about IPC, but instead about potential max overclocking?

Now I'm an AMD fanboy, while using Intel in my system, and showing actual comparable results and basic mathematics?

Okay so, let's take THE fastest 7900X score theres against the fastest 6950X.

7900X @ 5755Mhz = 3181
6950X @ 5330Mhz = 2878

That's a 10% difference in performance, but now it's 8% difference in clock speed.

So once again, where is this 15% clock for clock difference?

 

[mmj_uk]

Haha I was just curious

So in order to get the UK price we first convert the US price to UK equivalent via the exchange rate and then add the VAT ?? Correct ??

I just looked at current Broadwell-E prices, the price over here compared to the US is pretty much 1:1.

 

[zornyan]

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We don't even know if that it the price. Even so, the 1700 is the one to go for which makes intel look even more expensive.
Faster IPC? Meh its all miniscule with every gen on intel.
Good look with overclocking these new chips without delidding and decent watercooling.

Your comment about being second class is funny. I have no problem with being "second class" if my 1700 can get on the heels of a 5690x for a third of the price!

Intel already released the pricing for the 7820x, it's £100 more than the 1800x....

single threaded performance doesn't matter, except for let's see, games, programs like adobe, even general usage of the pc.

hence why when I tried an 1800x system it felt dog slow compared to my 7700k setup, from browsing the web to opening and using various programs.

I mean sure, if all you do is run cinebench scores then go ahead go ryzen..

You want to compared IPC aka Clock for Clock. I just did that.
Or is your comparison NOT about IPC, but instead about potential max overclocking?

Now I'm an AMD fanboy, while using Intel in my system, and showing actual comparable results and basic mathematics?

Okay so, let's take THE fastest 7900X score theres against the fastest 6950X.

7900X @ 5755Mhz = 3181
6950X @ 5330Mhz = 2878

That's a 10% difference in performance, but now it's 8% difference in clock speed.

So once again, where is this 15% clock for clock difference?

right, as you can see from the 6950x benchmarks, 100mhz equals about 30-35 points, if you remove the 300mhz advantage then the 7820x has a difference of what? 180-200 points?

I'm very eager to see game benchmarks to see how that l2 cache boosts performance, since that video shows 4.5ghz on all cores is very easy (most will probably hit 4.7/4.8 at 1.4v) single threaded performance should be slightly higher than a 5ghz 7700k, whilst having the fastest multi threaded performance around.

 

[gavinh87]

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Intel already released the pricing for the 7820x, it's £100 more than the 1800x....

single threaded performance doesn't matter, except for let's see, games, programs like adobe, even general usage of the pc.

hence why when I tried an 1800x system it felt dog slow compared to my 7700k setup, from browsing the web to opening and using various programs.

I mean sure, if all you do is run cinebench scores then go ahead go ryzen..




right, as you can see from the 6950x benchmarks, 100mhz equals about 30-35 points, if you remove the 300mhz advantage then the 7820x has a difference of what? 180-200 points?

I'm very eager to see game benchmarks to see how that l2 cache boosts performance, since that video shows 4.5ghz on all cores is very easy (most will probably hit 4.7/4.8 at 1.4v) single threaded performance should be slightly higher than a 5ghz 7700k, whilst having the fastest multi threaded performance around.

The only price I can see for the 7820x is $599 (not listed on any retailers as far as i can see)
Seeing as though were talking overclocking, lets compare that to the ryzen 1700 $300

Half the price! Without factoring motherboard costs.....

Also regarding overclocking, these new chips wont clock for **** without being delidded.
Why are we even comparing mainstream to HEDT? Wait for threadripper if you want to compare these new chips.

1800x being dog slow at using the internet LOL.

 

[zornyan]

The only price I can see for the 7820x is $599 (not listed on any retailers as far as i can see)
Seeing as though were talking overclocking, lets compare that to the ryzen 1700 $300

Half the price! Without factoring motherboard costs.....

Also regarding overclocking, these new chips wont clock for **** without being delidded.
Why are we even comparing mainstream to HEDT? Wait for threadripper if you want to compare these new chips.

1800x being dog slow at using the internet LOL.

https://youtu.be/kyz2gkyIoXI

luck_noob got the 7900x (so 10 core) to 4.5ghz at just 1.15v, that's using a rigged up fan leaning on an air cooler.

skylake didn't have any issues with TIM, so don't see skylake x having the same issue.

so a 1700, which will average overclock to 3.8ghz, to an 7820x which appears to easily hit 4.5, most will probably hit 4.6ghz.

so that's what, 700-800mhz faster clock speed with 10% more ipc.

plus quad channel ram, and more pcie lanes.

comparing 8 core to 8 core because thread ripper doesn't have an 8 core does it?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

right, as you can see from the 6950x benchmarks, 100mhz equals about 30-35 points, if you remove the 300mhz advantage then the 7820x has a difference of what? 180-200 points?

I'm very eager to see game benchmarks to see how that l2 cache boosts performance, since that video shows 4.5ghz on all cores is very easy (most will probably hit 4.7/4.8 at 1.4v) single threaded performance should be slightly higher than a 5ghz 7700k, whilst having the fastest multi threaded performance around.

What are you talking about, the clock difference is 425, not 300.
The performance difference is tiny, 303 points difference between the 7900X and 6950X, for a 425Mhz difference.
10% difference in score, for an 8% difference in clocks.
Now if the 7900X was 10% faster than the 6950X for being clocked the same, I'd be impressed.

 

[gavinh87]

https://youtu.be/kyz2gkyIoXI

luck_noob got the 7900x (so 10 core) to 4.5ghz at just 1.15v, that's using a rigged up fan leaning on an air cooler.

skylake didn't have any issues with TIM, so don't see skylake x having the same issue.

so a 1700, which will average overclock to 3.8ghz, to an 7820x which appears to easily hit 4.5, most will probably hit 4.6ghz.

so that's what, 700-800mhz faster clock speed with 10% more ipc.

plus quad channel ram, and more pcie lanes.

comparing 8 core to 8 core because thread ripper doesn't have an 8 core does it?

Where have you been? Intel's TIM has been **** since at least devils canyon.
4 more pcie lans isn't worth shouting about and neither is quad chanel RAM.
Real world usage shows little improvement over dual.

There is no doubt that the 7820x will be faster, but not without cost.
Compare the prices and ryzen wins 7740x vs 1700
7640x vs 1600x

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

hence why when I tried an 1800x system it felt dog slow compared to my 7700k setup, from browsing the web to opening and using various programs.

Then you must have some issue with your PC - you do get that I/O is more a limitation to opening stuff than pure CPU speed and having compared SKL Core i7,Haswell Core i7,IB Core i7 rigs I own(or my mates own) with a Ryzen 5 1600 based build a made recently did,which all have SSDs,I didn't see any difference TBH - I even have an ancient Llano based system which also started slowing down a bit and it was only running 4GB of RAM and a normal HDD. Changed over to an SSD and 8GB of RAM and for web browsing,etc it seems pretty fine now.

Look at the general PC market - its shrinking since people are keeping systems longer and then buying tablets,etc which are not really any faster than their older laptops or desktops.

 

[Yaayuh!]

hence why when I tried an 1800x system it felt dog slow compared to my 7700k setup, from browsing the web to opening and using various programs.

Sure it did....