So, Ferrari were 'not exactly following the spirit of the rules' then?
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Soldato
Very likely. This is a huge bargaining chip for them.
Soldato
Good for them. I don't really believe in governing bodies. After-all it's just a bunch of people who got together and decided we are the governing body for such and such. In the modern world they've become too large and too corrupt.
And to think less than a decade ago I used to do research for some of the UKs largest sporting governing bodies. ha.
If the other teams take the legal action they mention, it will be in full public courts, NOT any of the "FIA courts"
As others said before, without the FIA there is no Formula One.
Obviously the teams could all get together with liberty media and create a brand new series, with brand new rules and regulations, (another try at A1 series anyone?) but it could never be called Formula One.
Soldato
The way things are going, there's more brand value in the participation of 90% of the teams rather than the name of Formula One. Bernie might be gone but so many other legacy problems still remain.
Soldato
The F1 name is owned by Liberty Media\Formula One Group. http://www.libertymedia.com/companies/formula-one-group.html
The fis sets some of the rules and what tracks they can race on.
F1 does not need the fia. With all the money the fia charge the drivers and teams each year.
The Formula One Group could have the money instead and do there own rules.
The fia has been corrupt for at least 40 years.
Soldato
Nice easy-to-read and understand aticle here.
https://f1-insider.com/en/formula1/fia-and-ferrari-drag-f1-in-its-deepest-crisis/
I think what were dodgy moments last year are now very much more relevant such as Leclerc was found to have almost 5kg too much fuel in his car for the Abu Dhabi GP, which Ferrari blamed on a 'measuring' mistake, suspiciously Leclerc was allowed to keep his starting position, but worse still (for us conspiracy theorists), the FIA 'didn't think' to check Vettels car for the same 'oversight'.
The whole thing just stinks of corruption.
https://f1-insider.com/en/formula1/fia-and-ferrari-drag-f1-in-its-deepest-crisis/
I think what were dodgy moments last year are now very much more relevant such as Leclerc was found to have almost 5kg too much fuel in his car for the Abu Dhabi GP, which Ferrari blamed on a 'measuring' mistake, suspiciously Leclerc was allowed to keep his starting position, but worse still (for us conspiracy theorists), the FIA 'didn't think' to check Vettels car for the same 'oversight'.
The whole thing just stinks of corruption.
Soldato
You are right, I totally misread your post, sorry about that.
Today is the deadline the teams stated for more information from the FIA - lets see if anything happens, I doubt it.
Taken from here: http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/34922-Marko+says+Ferrari+scandal+'deadline'+looms.html
Taken from here: http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/34922-Marko+says+Ferrari+scandal+'deadline'+looms.html
Soldato
I doubt it too, the FIA aren't going to want to pee Ferrari off by giving more information. Entirely of their own making but the FIA are in a bad position - Do they want to face legal action from Ferrari for breaching the confidentiality agreement? Or face legal action from all the non-Ferrari teams over the failure to deal with the Ferrari PU issue.
Can we keep this thread for F1 chat please, there are other threads on this forum if you want to talk about the European Union
It'll probably die down now, the teams will use it as leverage over the FIA and get some kind of deal they're happy with themselves and that will be the end of it I expect. F1 operates more like the corporate world than a sport. The public only gets to see a fraction of what goes on.
Soldato
"Mercedes is no longer part of the ‘gang of seven’ teams which was pressing the FIA over its settlement with Ferrari over last year’s investigation into the legality of its power unit."
https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/17...ontinue-fia-fight-over-power-unit-settlement/
IF it's true.
Then Merc has thrown Wolf to the dogs(sorry about the pun)
https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/17...ontinue-fia-fight-over-power-unit-settlement/
IF it's true.
Then Merc has thrown Wolf to the dogs(sorry about the pun)
Or Mercedes have been told/have found out and realised they're doing what Ferrari were and have decided they don't want investigated themselves.
Soldato
I want to know what dirt Ferrari have on everyone so that every time they have a quiet word in someone's ear, be it an FIA rep or a Merc exec, they get what they want. Every god damn time.
Rubbish!
Wolff has long been rumoured to be leaving Mercedes for RP/Aston Martin. Wolff was very angry about it(Ferrari), Mercedes as a manufacturer weren't that interested as they had won the championship and therefor wouldn't gain much, if anything, anyway - all the other teams would gain millions *if* Ferrari were booted from the championship.
Soldato
How can you say MissChief's post is rubbish unless you privvy to some information that hasn't been released to the public?
There's nothing in the article that even hints at that. If we're all going to start making **** up, might as well say that Mercedes pulled out because Ferrari have got pictures of Ola Kallenius taking part in a Tijuana donkey show. Makes just as much sense, and there's just as much evidence of it.
If Mercedes were doing the same cheat (and I don't believe for a second they were), then how come they were obviously slower than the Ferrari, until Ferrari were called on their cheating, and then the Mercedes didn't get faster, the Ferrari got slower.
What happened was Ferrari threw their toys out of the pram behind the scenes, and Mercedes decided to let it go because of the money involved in their joint business projects outside of F1. Mercedes F1 still beat Ferrari and won't be getting any more prize money regardless of Ferrari getting booted from the 2019 results.