• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

So no 580 in stcok and over £300 for a 570 well done Nvidia

I admit, £300 is more than I would pay.
And if 4XX prices don't move down, then I'm crossing to AMD for this generation. Crossfiring 6870 sounds good to me... again though, granted the prices drop.
 
Andrew Moore said:
Nvidias second in line card at £300 offering performance that betters anything AMD/ATI has to offer at the price point?

I would say that Nvidia have a very good line of products with the 5 series. When you take two minutes to sit back and think about what Nvidia offer for that £300 it is clear that AMD/ATI will have to have a better product at the same price or an equal product and a lesser price just to compete.

Physx and Cuda included. A lower power consumption than the previous generation too. Cannot fault that!

AMD/ATI have products in the pipeline, we can only hope that they have the power to beat/match Nvidia and charge a little less otherwise Nvidia will continue to gain the market share that AMD/ATI have worked to achieve over the past 12-18months. At the moment its pulling Nvidias way far more than AMD/ATI but as we all know, things do change.
Click to expand...

In quite a few games its bang on 5870 performance, before the 580/570gtx launch, AMD released a "new gen" that pushed the "old gen" performance down to the midrange price bracket. IE 5870 performance was £300, its now £170.

Nvidia have pushed the £165-190 470gtx performance matched that, the 470gtx took the old £350 price bracket performance, and moved it to £300.

Its really not even close to impressive.

THe 5870 already massively beats the 570gtx in price performance, as does the 470gtx, and 460gtx/6850/6870.

6850 performance flat out beats a 580gtx, quite easily beats the 570gtx, and costs less than either.

Sorry but re-releasing the same parts with almost the same performance, at the same prices, and calling it new gen is about as impressive as me putting a new sticker on my current graphics card. Considering the majority of performance is mostly the overclock, remember the 480gtx got a 10% overclock, the 470gtx got a 20% overclock to become the 570gtx.

Yes, EOL pricing always screws the perceived value of new cards, but I can't remember a generation it looked SO poor.

A 5870 was more than double the price of a 4890, but it was 70-80% faster. the 570gtx is basically 10-15% faster than a 470gtx, which is EASILY overclockable to the same clock speeds(cutting all but 5% of the performance difference) yet is almost half the cost. 285gtx launched at £300, a year later fermi(was supposed to) and at around £300 the 470gtx trashed a 285gtx, another year later(if the first was on time) you'd expect a MUCH bigger bump for the same cost, or a much cheaper card for a mere speed bump.
 
I fancy boys said:
As soon as the 6950/6970 are released this will be circa 250, where it belongs.
Click to expand...



except the 6950/6970 will also be in the £300/400 segment initially give or take £20 it is only after the new year that i expect prices to come down from both camps as the stock levels build up.

at the moment Nvidia can sell every card they can supply and it will be the same for AMD initially.




edit: woah that sudenly got lost in a hail of posts...quote added so it atleast almost makes sense.
 
Last edited:
RavenXXX2 said:
I got a 480, at 830Mhz core I have stock 580 performance, no sour grapes here lol. I think that's why the 5** cards are getting some stick in some quarters, they offer very little over the 4** cards in performance.
Click to expand...

Raven any chance you can just for 1 whole week not bang on about how your 480 is the same as the higher cards, every time i open a thread in gfx with nvidia in the title there you are, comon mate pls enough- no offence intended :)

ontopic if ATI fall short on the next round i would rather buy a GTX570 when the settle sub £270 and it will happen its just when :D
 
has anyone seen a post where someone has said they bought a 570 today ? I remember when the ATI 5870/5850 came out and the 470/480 came out there were people posting they had ordered one. Not seen one post yet with a proud owner posting they ordered it.

Not snubbing the card I wouldnt mind one but don't you think its a bad time to release new cards right before Christmas when your money needs to be spent on presents for relations/friends etc. Wouldn't be surprised if we dont see ATI's next offering till after Chrimbo.
 
Last edited:
Yes with you on that BBA. If the Amd cards fail to deliver then I will be looking at the 570 (when prices calm)
 
gary996 said:
Yes with you on that BBA. If the Amd cards fail to deliver then I will be looking at the 570 (when prices calm)
Click to expand...

:D lol at the 480 comment!

I think for what it is the 570 and generally the GTX 5*0 generation is disappointing. Having said that, if we were over on the other side of the pond where it can be had from as little as USD $350 (£236.29) its a cracking little card. In-reach of a 580 and with all the benefits of the new vapour cooling chamber. £250 here in the UK would be cracking price and I think it would sell well (mostly to those who like me are still in the DX10 (GTX 2*0 series) cards. It certainly wouldn't appeal to those with GTX 470/480s in all honestly I dont think.

As for AMD/ATI. I really can not see the 6950 coming in below £300 and the 6970 will be around the £400 mark.
 
shadow_boxer said:
:D lol at the 480 comment!

I think for what it is the 570 and generally the GTX 5*0 generation is disappointing. Having said that, if we were over on the other side of the pond where it can be had from as little as USD $350 (£236.29) its a cracking little card. In-reach of a 580 and with all the benefits of the new vapour cooling chamber. £250 here in the UK would be cracking price and I think it would sell well (mostly to those who like me are still in the DX10 (GTX 2*0 series) cards. It certainly wouldn't appeal to those with GTX 470/480s in all honestly I dont think.

As for AMD/ATI. I really can not see the 6950 coming in below £300 and the 6970 will be around the £400 mark.
Click to expand...

The 4xx series was described as disappointing in the press on launch what with the power and noise issues. IMHO the 5xx is what the 4xx should have been so agree with you there on the level of expectation being low.

ATI stole 2010 in my opinion and Nvidia are trailling but swings and roundabouts ATI turn to drop the ball sooner or later its what happens when you have no competition, two horse race.

Agree with you on the pricing of the 69xx. Maybe this will be ATI's mistake.

What do you buy now if you like ATI, 58xx, 68xx or 69xx. Then 2011 they release a 7xxx...... Nvidia release a 6xx it goes on and on and on. I still think the graphic tech comes out way too quick.
 
Last edited:
Andrew Moore said:
Nvidias second in line card at £300 offering performance that betters anything AMD/ATI has to offer at the price point?

I would say that Nvidia have a very good line of products with the 5 series. When you take two minutes to sit back and think about what Nvidia offer for that £300 it is clear that AMD/ATI will have to have a better product at the same price or an equal product and a lesser price just to compete.

Physx and Cuda included. A lower power consumption than the previous generation too. Cannot fault that!

AMD/ATI have products in the pipeline, we can only hope that they have the power to beat/match Nvidia and charge a little less otherwise Nvidia will continue to gain the market share that AMD/ATI have worked to achieve over the past 12-18months. At the moment its pulling Nvidias way far more than AMD/ATI but as we all know, things do change.
Click to expand...

That depends on how many cards Nvidia can get out, if 6970/50 comes out next week with quite a lot of stock and at a good price then not a lot of harm done, even then high end will not sell as many as the tiers below it.
 
This card is amazing - all the performance of a 480 for the same price woohoo!

And 10% faster than a 5870 for only 50% more cost, woohoo!

Get in quick kids as these bad boys have to sell out fast!


*Strokes 5870 bought for £300 Sept 09 :D
 
easyrider said:
New tech and so uninspiring...I have every faith in AMD's release both in terms of performance and pricing.

Have NV lost the plot?
Click to expand...

As soon as Nvidia put Fermi into production it meant a 2-3 year string balls ups for them. All they can do now is release cards right at the end of ATI production cycles and milk them for all they can.

The problem for Nvidia is ATI haven't even got into full stride because of the 40nm blunder and 32nm cancelation, and Fermi is struggling to compete with cards a generation behind. The real tester for Nvidia will be dealing with the 28nm 7000 cards, which look set to really open a can of "Whoop Ass" that could be the beginning of the end for Nvidia.

The sad thing is Nvidia's has some great people, but they let themselves down because of the cheap leadership and poor management the company has.

Spot the odd one out.

GTX470 £200

HD5870 £180

HD5850 £160

HD6870 £170

GTX570 £300
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom