Soldato
wait till the new Radeon cards are out next week, then make your choice.
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So no 580 in stcok and over £300 for a 570 well done Nvidia
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Waiting for the new ati's is a good idea, however pricing isnt known yet, both 470's youve linked are fitted with good cooling solutions, the gigabyte soc has a pretty good factory overclock of 700mhz, both theese cards will give you a bit more headroom as far as temps when overclocking.
Soldato
1)I don't disagree that price to performance wise the 48xx was much better, and 5850 is...well, was the best until GTX460 came along, but don't you think it is still little early to claim the 6950/6970 is would be better price to performance than the GTX570/GTX580, by basing pricing on previous gen cards' launch prices? For example, the 6850 and the 6870 is hardly cheaper than the GTX460 1GB and the GTX470? Granted Nvidia has slashed pricethe GTX460/GTX470 to compete with the 6850/6870, but if AMD do launch the 6950/6970 at lower price than GTX570/GTX580, and their performance do match them, may be Nvidia would price slash to match again?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting the "likelyness" of AMD/ATI offering better price to performance ratio for their new cards that's coming, but all I'm saying is that we still don't know for sure what the exact price that the 6950/6970 are gonna be launched at, nor does their actual performance until we see some benchmarks. What was true about the price to performance ratio for the 48xx, 5850 card might not necessarily true for the 6950/6970, as AMD/ATI can change their pricing strategy for all we know.
So basically we really should wait for the physical launch of the 6950/6970, if we really want to compare them with the GTX570/GTX580 fairly.
2)On a seperate note...no offense Final8y, but if you would never buy Nvidia with all things equal for both side, I don't see how you are in the position to criticize Rroff for never buying ATI
3)May be Rroff didn't get himself across the right way regarding buying mention his SLI GTX470 and relating it to the launch of the new cards, but I think what he really means is that he's glad that the money he spent on the graphics was not wasted and would be good enough to last him for a long while, pretty much in the same way like people who bought Q6600 and still happy with it to today because it would do everything they require, and not really feeling missing out too much with the launch of newer techs etc
1) I made no such claims because i don't care one way or the other in which is faster because i will not be buying anything because the comment was IF & when you put it into context of the post that it was contained in then it would be in reply to a comment which already brought forward IF in the first place.
2) Because my criticism is not about him not buying ATI but about him caring in the first place that ATI may or may not have a faster card at a price point & if you want to exclude a brand for whatever reason then you must take the rough with the smooth that you will at times be missing out in regards to best performance for your money & not wish for it never to be better because you will not be buying it.
I don't get upset or feel any better or worse that NV has a faster card at the price point of which i have paid for mine.
3) Nothing wrong with being happy with the longevity of a purchase in regards to worth while performance over time & that its still capable of playing games years down the line, who wouldn't be but that is not the same as being happy that nothing faster has come out even though that even if a faster card does come out it doesn't make your card all of a sudden incapable of playing the games that it had been, there is a another saying for that need.
Wishing for nothing faster than what you have is wishing for no progress no matter how short the amount of time.
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Soldato
Sorry to slightly divert from topic...what are peoples thoughts on the MSI GeForce GTX 460 HAWK "Talon Attack" 1024MB going for £155 (for a fairly casual gamer on a single monitor @1920x1080). Seems like a pretty good deal to me?
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Overclock it a bit further and should get close to 470 performance no?
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Overclock it a bit further and should get close to 470 performance no?
Soldato
Well its primarily for flight simulator x, which tend to run better with NVIDIA cards.
Judging by reviews you will get 470 performance. Great value for the money if you ask me. I have considered Gigabyte gtx 460 SOC for £154 delivered, but its not available so cheap anymore. This Msi grabs my attention now.
I'm casual gamer @1920x1200 as well. I keep asking myself if I really need stronger card than that. Today 480gtx can be had for £235, msi 470 hawk for £205, but at the end of the day 460 hawk performing at 470 level for mere £155 is great deal if one does not need more power. But I am waiting for 69xx next week. I smell even better deals around the corner
Soldato
Owned an Inno GPU a few yrs ago - had no issues . The brand does appear to drift in and out of the UK.
Site I saw it on said 2 year warranty BUT with the supplier not the maker.( I have no idea as how good support is with the supplier - never bought anything from them.)
Overall assuming that if you bought one it did not fall apart or breakdown regularly then I believe that it would be the best performing card of those that you listed. Bottom line is that it is the most powerful card and although other cards (overclocked 470?) might get near to its stock performance it will probably overclock ...
But even though it might be the best card if your thinking that it would be overkill for the games that you (may ever) play at the resolution that you (may ever) play then look at the 460/470.
I know that others will say that I'm wrong but IMO the 470/480's are loud and get hot (bog standard cooled ones anyway!) -May or may not be an issue to you but think it's best mentioned.
Would agree that prices may drop again after Amd release their 6900 series , but nobody can say for sure. It may be the case that the manufacturers of the 470/480 cards are trying to get rid of their stock before the Amd card comes out and to wait will mean there are none around. Very much a guessing game
Which I usually get wrong 
Soldato
Does anyone else feel like a price war is imminent, or am I dreaming?
I wanted to jump ship back to nvidia but if you think this is true I will dodge the cheap GTX480s.
Soldato
Not to sure about the *definately
But I agree, the 570 is overpriced, if the 6950 comes in at around £270 things will get very interesting and I think if it performs similarly to the 570 the the £250 mark will be about right.
That's quite an exaggeration.
Yeah, 570gtx for £250 would be great. I just watched Palit GeForce GTX 570 review and found out that this card requires:
- Minimum 550W or greater PSU (at least 38A on the 12v rail)
I've got this psu http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-031-OC
total 12V output is only 504Watts which is 42A combined on two rails, 25A on one. Should I have 38A on one 12V rail? I hope someone with more knowladge can explain it to me. Thanks in advance.
- Minimum 550W or greater PSU (at least 38A on the 12v rail)
I've got this psu http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-031-OC
total 12V output is only 504Watts which is 42A combined on two rails, 25A on one. Should I have 38A on one 12V rail? I hope someone with more knowladge can explain it to me. Thanks in advance.
Soldato
Wow, someone actually got one of those?
A load of us tried but just got emails saying they got the price wrong and cancelled the order.
That said - I think I'll still go for one (probably an EVGA one from OCUK) in the new year. I'm really looking forward to seeing how these AMDs will perform in comparison.
Not to sure about the *definately
But I agree, the 570 is overpriced, if the 6950 comes in at around £270 things will get very interesting and I think if it performs similarly to the 570 the the £250 mark will be about right.
Yeah the 6950 will almost definitely come in cheaper than the 570 and AMD would have to really mess up to not atleast give similiar performance.
The card has two six pin power connectors, so if your PSU has 2 six pin power connectors available they will be both on different rails due to atx spec, so you'll be fine the power draw will be shared between the rails.
If you are using molex to six pin adapters that is when you have to be careful that you don't inadvertently overload a rail.
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Hi guys,
Yes, found that too. It is for inno3d. Never had this brand, googled inno3d for opinion and plenty of people do not recommend this brand. I wonder if it is still worth the risk?
I am at the point, where I have to change my 8800GT finally. This offer is really tempting, but I can have this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-066-GI&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1810
or even cheaper this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-104-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1810
I understand both of them easily overclock to 480gtx performance and stay much cooler and quieter.
I just don't know what to do
I had inno 3d 470s sli and they where good cards most cards are built with the same lay out and components regardless of companys name on them the only thing was they did not come with all the added extras that nobody uses and that's why the prices are low
They also clocked very high
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