So now that all the new Ryzens are here how many cores do we actually need in 2020?

[Boot_Loop]

Personally, I think 8-cores 16Threads is the sweet spot this year and next for higher end.

 

[Boot_Loop]

To elaborate

AC Origings

5.1ghz 9900k min FPS = 71
Stock 3950x min FPS = 93

So in this game which scales past 8 cores, the 3950x is showing 31% higher minimum framerates.

I think games saturating 8-cores at high settings are going to come thick and fast next year.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

1.8 Ghz is the speed of the old Jaguar based CPUs in the PS4 and Xbox One. I have seen 3.2 and 3.4Ghz mentioned in the newer processors but I don't think anything has been confirmed yet.

In which case im 99% sure it wont be at 1.8ghz clock speed! Definitely going to be higher than that. Though I doubt it'll be as high as the 4.4ghz of the normal 3700x. But anything in the 3-4ghz range will be likely

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Yeah but I would not buy it at launch price, I will buy it half price or less in 2-3 years time

The IPC and general speed will be better too. That’s why I don’t see the point in getting a 3900X now as a 4900X will fit in this mobo anyways and 3600 more than meets my needs now

Definitely got a point there, for most regular users like you and me a 3900x is simply unnecessary, but in a few years time once programs and games become more CPU/core dependent then it will be fantastic to have that many cores at our disposals

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Just a quick and dirty google. As I said I dont really know quite how powerful they will be.

Im fairly confident that 1.8 is just far too low

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I think games saturating 8-cores at high settings are going to come thick and fast next year.

100%, 8 cores will become the standard for gaming very very soon

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I know it's not next gen but one or two games are already strutting their stuff.

gamers nexus just did a big core count for gaming review and in both assassins creed origins and odyssey - the game's minimum framerate scaled well with cores and Ben up to the 16 cores of the 3950x the framerate was still going up with core count. In fact a stock 3950x achieves a significant lead in 1% and 0.1% lows over a overclocked 9900k in Assassin's Creed games because the engine scales well.

And that ladies and gents is the future - that's what major game engines will run like from next gen.

It just cant come soon enough. Assassins creed is just the first of many games that has utilized these high core counts. Once the next gen consoles come out and game devs have made games utilizing the 8 cores, by 2021 I think almost every triple A game will end up using all 8 cores, and will perform better with more cores.

THANK YOU AMD

 

[jigger]

I think CPU cache will be leveraged much more heavily over the next few years.

 

[Brazo]

It just cant come soon enough. Assassins creed is just the first of many games that has utilized these high core counts. Once the next gen consoles come out and game devs have made games utilizing the 8 cores, by 2021 I think almost every triple A game will end up using all 8 cores, and will perform better with more cores.

THANK YOU AMD

I think before we all get too excited let’s not forget Assassins Creed origins will run perfectly on a 4 thread cpu with minimum 70fps and lets be honest you don’t need ultra high fps for that game.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/article/1525-assassins-creed-origins-cpu-test/

let’s not also forget that Assasins creed origins had some drm’feature’ that took up a lot of cpu resources so again the results could be misleading.

Not needing an eight core cpu doesn’t stop me from having one but if there’s actually any games out in a years time that actually require one then I’ll be very surprised.

 

[Grim5]

Im fairly confident that 1.8 is just far too low

1.8ghz ryzen 3700 would be crazy efficient lol - so much lost performance though probably a good 40% slower than the desktop 3700x but on the plus the power draw may only be like 20w.

though that's not going to happen, as per the digital foundry video Microsoft has built the next console with cooling in mind, MS is expecting higher power draw - and we all know that high power draw = high clock speeds

 

[jigger]

1.8ghz ryzen 3700 would be crazy efficient lol - so much lost performance though probably a good 40% slower than the desktop 3700x but on the plus the power draw may only be like 20w.

though that's not going to happen, as per the digital foundry video Microsoft has built the next console with cooling in mind, MS is expecting higher power draw - and we all know that high power draw = high clock speeds

Ryzen at 2.8Ghz would be crazy efficient. 4-5 watts per core?

 

[Grim5]

Probably. Maybe someone can test it if the bios lets you reduce the multiplier that low.

Even though final clock speeds and specs are not given - the box tells us all we need to know. The fact that the next gen Xbox is 60% larger and has a custom high end cooling solution inside tells us it's going to be a very powerful little machine.

You've got Nvidias CEO trying to say the GPU is just equal to a 2060 and other posters here saying it's a 1.8ghz CPU - these specs would easily run inside a thin laptop with a single fan and could even be smaller than current gen machines. That's how you know it's all BS - if it were true next gen consoles would be even smaller than current gen, not 60 to 70% bigger than current gen

 

[TNA]

Probably. Maybe someone can test it if the bios lets you reduce the multiplier that low.

Even though final clock speeds and specs are not given - the box tells us all we need to know. The fact that the next gen Xbox is 60% larger and has a custom high end cooling solution inside tells us it's going to be a very powerful little machine.

You've got Nvidias CEO trying to say the GPU is just equal to a 2060 and other posters here saying it's a 1.8ghz CPU - these specs would easily run inside a thin laptop with a single fan and could even be smaller than current gen machines. That's how you know it's all BS - if it were true next gen consoles would be even smaller than current gen, not 60 to 70% bigger than current gen

Never believe a word that leather wearing sob says. Next gen consoles are going to be very good and will impact their bottom line so he would say that.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The advantage the consoles have is not purely down to the hardware, but the tricks they can pull knowing all target machines are the same. We have all seen them youtubers 'console killer' builds but when the games are made to shoehorn into them finite boxes they will be able to squeeze out a nice margin making it look like the hardware inside is a far meatier quality when its not. When Jensen says its no better than a 2060 he's probably right.

 

[Grim5]

The advantage the consoles have is not purely down to the hardware, but the tricks they can pull knowing all target machines are the same. We have all seen them youtubers 'console killer' builds but when the games are made to shoehorn into them finite boxes they will be able to squeeze out a nice margin making it look like the hardware inside is a far meatier quality when its not. When Jensen says its no better than a 2060 he's probably right.

but that low of a spec doesn't draw much power at all, why are the consoles so big and why do they draw 300 to 350w then?

 

[Quartz]

The advantage the consoles have is not purely down to the hardware, but the tricks they can pull knowing all target machines are the same.

In particular there are fewer layers between the game and the hardware.

 

[gpuerrilla]

but that low of a spec doesn't draw much power at all, why are the consoles so big and why do they draw 300 to 350w then?

Hmm, well I do recall my PS4 is a room heater when gaming discharging a ton of energy. I have not measured it at the wall but quick scour says its well under 200w. Why are they big? As there is no need for the CD drive and the storage can be flash memory they should be designed to be sleek and slim I agree.

If they are indeed drawing more than double the previous gen its not making much sense. Maybe they are including devices to assist with streaming like an ancillary card, 3D audio type extras? Must take a look at some recent leaks as it will be getting interesting.

 

[champion1642]

It's all relative to what you need your PC for.

For light users, it doesn't really matter, with a minimum of 8GB RAM they can easily get by.

For gamers I'd say 8/16 is the sweet spot, but 6/12 is also more than good enough.

Obviously for those who do productivity as well 12/24 & 16/32 is not completely out of the question.

But it all really depends on one thing, your budget and how much you are willing to spend.

 

[FoxEye]

It's all relative to what you need your PC for.

For gamers I'd say 8/16 is the sweet spot, but 6/12 is also more than good enough.

6/12 might leave PC gamers with an inferior experience/perf to the next gen consoles, in only 1 year's time.

Personally as somebody said above, a 12/24 4000 series CPU might be the best bet; 8/16 at an absolute minimum, if you want to stay ahead of the consoles come 2021.

 

[chaparral]

Is eight cores the new ‘four’?
Is having 16 cores only for niche use?
Isn’t eight cores simply overkill for most desktop consumer software?

Most likely 95% of PC users would have no need for more then a 4 core cpu