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[Some] nations signup to a cluster bomb treaty

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by stockhausen, Dec 4, 2008.

  1. Tefal

    Capo Crimine

    Joined: Jun 30, 2007

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    Location: Wales

    So why do you think they are any worse than other bombs?

    Is your only dislike their failure rate?

    And yes America is an upholder of liberty, it's own as that's all that's important to it.
  2. @if ®afiq


    Joined: May 3, 2003

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    I would say any nation/government that truly values liberty values it for all - it's in the nature of it. Just as someone who values freedom and equality does so for all.
  3. RDM


    Joined: Feb 1, 2007

    Posts: 20,177

    No such nation has ever existed, why do you think one ever will?
  4. fraps

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jul 25, 2007

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    Location: Essex

    I dislike this weapon as its record is shocking:

    quote from http://www.stopclustermunitions.org/the-problem/

    "Air-dropped or ground-launched, they cause two major humanitarian problems and risks to civilians. First, their widespread dispersal means they cannot distinguish between military targets and civilians so the humanitarian impact can be extreme, especially when the weapon is used in or near populated areas.

    Many submunitions fail to detonate on impact and become de facto antipersonnel mines killing and maiming people long after the conflict has ended. These duds are more lethal than antipersonnel mines; incidents involving submunition duds are much more likely to cause death than injury."

  5. Tefal

    Capo Crimine

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    So your issue is only with it's failure rate?

    if they all exploded as they should you'd be fine with it?

    AS the first part

    is a bit silly, blasts from any ordinance do not distinguish between civilian or military targets.
  6. Tefal

    Capo Crimine

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    That's pointless, if you try to uphold liberty for all you lose the ability to defend your people, and as such the liberty of some.

    a governments duty is to it's people nones elses.
  7. etom


    Joined: Nov 3, 2008

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    what do we gain from signing this treaty, why did we sign it. Labour govt has the impression it is setting standards for the world when in reality we hold little influence compared to U.S and they should be doing the morale leading not us. grr

    should be 100% up to military officials to descide on our weaponary and govt should be against any restrictions unless ofc they effect all other major players. imo anyway
  8. Tefal

    Capo Crimine

    Joined: Jun 30, 2007

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    Cause we don't really need them atm so it's a nice political gain for doing **** all really.

    We'll keep come, and we'll have a nice order form ready made to buy several thousand from the yanks if need be.