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If you would be happy teaching me how to use it I'd give it a whirl :)

if you've got proper turntables/cdj's, you use the timecoded vinyl/cd's just like you use normal vinyl/cd's. as for the interface, drag/drop tunes. couldn't be simpler.

some people use cue points etc; i don't bother as i want to use it in the exact same way i use vinyl, and i try not to use the screen for beat matching as much as possible as i want to 'work' for it; it's much more satisfying and it's not cheating :p
 
if you've got proper turntables/cdj's, you use the timecoded vinyl/cd's just like you use normal vinyl/cd's. as for the interface, drag/drop tunes. couldn't be simpler.

some people use cue points etc; i don't bother as i want to use it in the exact same way i use vinyl, and i try not to use the screen for beat matching as much as possible as i want to 'work' for it; it's much more satisfying and it's not cheating :p

I do have the cue mix on half, I do usually line up the songs without looking at the screen :)

It's a shame that I can't afford CDJs as I think it would be a much better starting point than digital. Elitist as it may be, I don't like having to use the tempo sync, but unfortunately the Mixtrack isn't precise enough :(
 
that's why controllers are generally crap; turntables is the only way that i consider it at all skilful; cds i think are a copout too, but nowhere near as cheating as controllers with sync functions

I'm genuinely curious as to why you think CD's are cheating. I know we've talked about it before but I don't see it that way, it's a logical technological step up. I understand why you think a controller is cheating but you don't have to use the sync function. I learnt on vinyl and only made the switch to CD's when I started club work. And you've been to my place so you know there's no room for my vinyl or CD decks, hence me having a controller.


unfortunately the Mixtrack isn't precise enough :(

That's my bugbear with it too, 0.08 bpm out makes a difference. :(
 
that's why controllers are generally crap; turntables is the only way that i consider it at all skilful; cds i think are a copout too, but nowhere near as cheating as controllers with sync functions

I get where you are coming from, I really do, but crowds won't care. As long as the music sounds good that's all that matters to them 99% of the time.

I'm genuinely curious as to why you think CD's are cheating. I know we've talked about it before but I don't see it that way, it's a logical technological step up. I understand why you think a controller is cheating but you don't have to use the sync function. I learnt on vinyl and only made the switch to CD's when I started club work. And you've been to my place so you know there's no room for my vinyl or CD decks, hence me having a controller.

Not to mention controllers and MP3s are so much cheaper. Cheap CDJs are still well out of my price range, not to mention a pair of vinyl decks, vinyls themselves and a mixer.

That's my bugbear with it too, 0.08 bpm out makes a difference. :(

It's annoyingly noticeable with D&B, as most of the songs I have are around the 174 BPM range. Hardly any of them are perfectly on it.
 
I'm genuinely curious as to why you think CD's are cheating. I know we've talked about it before but I don't see it that way, it's a logical technological step up. I understand why you think a controller is cheating but you don't have to use the sync function. I learnt on vinyl and only made the switch to CD's when I started club work. And you've been to my place so you know there's no room for my vinyl or CD decks, hence me having a controller.




That's my bugbear with it too, 0.08 bpm out makes a difference. :(

personal preference mostly, but also the jog wheel/pitch manipulation allows you to be quite careless with mixing and it not making a huge amount of difference to the live sound. at least with vinyl, if you **** up, people know about it, so it gives you that extra incentive to be that much better. i appreciate they make things more convenient than vinyl, but as i've mentioned before, that's why i've got such a woody for serato :p

I get where you are coming from, I really do, but crowds won't care. As long as the music sounds good that's all that matters to them 99% of the time.



Not to mention controllers and MP3s are so much cheaper. Cheap CDJs are still well out of my price range, not to mention a pair of vinyl decks, vinyls themselves and a mixer.



It's annoyingly noticeable with D&B, as most of the songs I have are around the 174 BPM range. Hardly any of them are perfectly on it.

well, you say 'crowds don't care', but a lot of people really, really DO care, and i'm one of them.

i use mp3's with serato dude, i'm not knocking the source material (high quality mp3/wav/flacs are nearly as great sounding as proper, analogue records), just the way that they are melded in the mix; there's a talent to having complete control over what is played and how it's played, not just the former.
 
personal preference mostly, but also the jog wheel/pitch manipulation allows you to be quite careless with mixing and it not making a huge amount of difference to the live sound. at least with vinyl, if you **** up, people know about it, so it gives you that extra incentive to be that much better. i appreciate they make things more convenient than vinyl, but as i've mentioned before, that's why i've got such a woody for serato :p

Fair enough :)

well, you say 'crowds don't care', but a lot of people really, really DO care, and i'm one of them.

The sort of gigs I've played and want to continue playing usually have a crowd that is completely off their nut. It's so much fun :) They really don't care as long as they can dance. Sure they have personal preferences for DJs, for example a lot of people I know would rather watch Andy C then Chase & Status, but beyond that as long as they are doing a decent job of DJing, and playing good music, the crowd are happy :)

i use mp3's with serato dude, i'm not knocking the source material (high quality mp3/wav/flacs are nearly as great sounding as proper, analogue records), just the way that they are melded in the mix; there's a talent to having complete control over what is played and how it's played, not just the former.

You can have complete control with digital. Traktor's live sampling and looping abilities are amazing, you can pretty much mix a VIP of a track live if you know what you are doing :)
 
I have to agree with Shayper, 3 years ago I played at Lakota and I was so fixed on playing vinyl that I spent more than I got paid for playing just an hours worth of tunes on records. I'm playing there next month and so far in the last 2 months I've spent about £40 on mp3 and have about 9 hours worth of tunes. And because of the genre I can safely say people won't notice if I did sit there with a laptop on sync.
 
i never said mp3's were inferior :)

my point is having VINYL-STYLE control is better.

as for standing there with a laptop; i can categorically say that i find shyfx a joyless **** to watch now, as he just stands there using his laptop to mix. it's lifeless. i'm not saying i'm a purist per se, but watching someone actually do some work and having the chance for mistakes makes it more enjoyable.
 
i never said mp3's were inferior :)

my point is having VINYL-STYLE control is better.

as for standing there with a laptop; i can categorically say that i find shyfx a joyless **** to watch now, as he just stands there using his laptop to mix. it's lifeless. i'm not saying i'm a purist per se, but watching someone actually do some work and having the chance for mistakes makes it more enjoyable.

I agree, I've played out using records in the past, and the more recent years have been cd purely down to the cost of 12" and the limited number of releases.

I did one gig using Traktor, and didn't enjoy it, felt like I was just queueing up stuff like an iPod.
 
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