Spanish Football 2011-2012

I've given Lucas a lot of credit, for what he does for Liverpool he does it very well. That's it though, he's not outstanding, he's not one of the best in the world he's just good at what he does for Liverpool.
 
Tom84 said:
Limited footballer? You've failed to notice his ball manipulation and his one touch play then have you? I guess you've also failed to notice how he's keeping Mascherano out of the Barca team? Mascherano being a player who's also better than Lucas.

As for the second part about how playing for the best side may cloud peoples judgement.... what's your argument again? Oh yeah that Lucas, a Liverpool player, the team you support is better. Spot the irony eh, what was it you said about simply minds ;)
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I've failed to notice nothing. You've already admitted in this thread that you don't watch much Spanish football and had to ask what position Fabregas plays for Barca but you're an expert on Busquets? Have you been forming an opinion on him from from youtube Tom?

And whether I'm being bias or not in my praise for Lucas, it wouldn't make the point I made about Busquets playing for Barca clouding their judgment on him ironic. They're seperate issues Tom. See what I mean about simple minds?

It's no secret that players that come through the Barca academy get preference at Barca but to be fair to Busquets, he does what's needed for Barca. There are plenty of better players than him though.
 
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BaZ87 said:
I've failed to notice nothing. You've already admitted in this thread that you don't watch much Spanish football and had to ask what position Fabregas plays for Barca but you're an expert on Busquets? Have you been forming an opinion on him from from youtube Tom?

And whether I'm being bias or not in my praise for Lucas, it wouldn't make the point I made about Busquets playing for Barca ironic. They're seperate issues Tom. See what I mean about simple minds?
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I've seen plenty of Busquets, maybe not so much this season but certainly previous seasons.

As for other part no they're not separate issues whatsoever you're claiming Busquets is limited and not better than Lucas, you're also claiming those that think otherwise are simply clouded by the fact he plays for Barcelona whereas the truth of the matter is the only person who's judgement is clouded is yours because it's a Liverpool player you're defending (there's the irony). I on the other hand have no affiliation to Barcelona or Liverpool nor do I have any preference to one club or the other so which of the two of us is really unbiased in this?

And yes you're right I do see what you mean about simple minds ;)
 
Tom84 said:
I've seen plenty of Busquets, maybe not so much this season but certainly previous seasons.

As for other part no they're not separate issues whatsoever you're claiming Busquets is limited and not better than Lucas, you're also claiming those that think otherwise are simply clouded by the fact he plays for Barcelona whereas the truth of the matter is the only person who's judgement is clouded is yours because it's a Liverpool player you're defending (there's the irony). I on the other hand have no affiliation to Barcelona or Liverpool nor do I have any preference to one club or the other so which of the two of us is really unbiased in this?

And yes you're right I do see what you mean about simple minds ;)
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No Tom, you clearly don't see. My opinion of Lucas has nothing to do with my opinion on Busquets or the general point that we regularly see people come out with "x has plays for Barca/x has won so many titles, therefore he must be better than....".

I believe that Busquets is bang average and I believe there are plenty of people only rate him because he plays for Barca. That has nothing to do with whether my opinion on Lucas is bias or not because my opinion on Busquets has no relation to my opinion on Lucas. See, it wouldn't be ironic. If you're still struggling to understand then maybe ask somebody to read the post out to you a few times.
 
drunkenmaster said:
You couldn't be more wrong, have you seen that video....... they showed it in superslowmooooooooo......

He turned around, in super slow mo, therefore it is the best move ever in the history of the world... everything that gets shown in super slow mo is just awesome.

Busquet's is more than decent, no where near the best, as for why he ousted Yaya from the team, Busquets at the time on likely sub 50k, yaya, on likely 150k+ and a bit lazy, fitness issues(which are costing City points in the past 6-8 weeks he's been very very "meh" ) and Barca having financial issues, Yaya was far more sellable than Busquets.

Likewise youtube = awful for gauging a player's quality. Because he's probably now played what, 100+ games for them, that could be several hundred's or hours and you can find a few minutes of highlights, which even in that video is like 7-8 things.

Seriously, if someone wanted to do a highlights video of Heskey they could make him look world class, or do a video showing all of Messi's many many misses and you could make him look bad.

I mean it would appear that Walcott's entire reputation is built on 5 year old youtube video's and hell, maybe Sven took him to the world cup based off a youtube video. Anyone who has actually seen him play(including Sven actually during the world cup) wouldn't ever start the twit, yet loads of people think he's incredibly good.

Anyway, Baz I would say most of the greatest teams are much more than the sum of their parts anyway. The simple fact is most players look better when the team around them is better. Barca have more teams sit back and refuse to attack them than any other team in the world, the defence is forced to do less than most other teams, so will naturally look better. A great CB partnership can make two poor fullbacks look effective, or cover for a crap DM, or a absurdly good DM can cover for a crap defensive back line, etc, etc.
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Guardiola on Busquets

"Busquets has won everything. Like Del Bosque said, if I could reincarnate as a footballer, I would like to be someone like him. He's the best midfielder in the world. I like his humility, his silence and that he is able to succeed without being the star. He gives us equilibrium. His teammates know that without him we can't play like we do. He always contributes. Barca has a priceless player. He will pick up the weight of the Puyols, Xavis and the rest. He was a great discovery and has grown a lot"



Busquets is one of the world's greatest holding midfielders. Just because he dives doesn't mean he isn't good, just look at Ronaldo Anyway he is perfect for Barcelona when Dani Alves goes for a run about he will always fill his position and normally as the 2 centre backs split he always goes into the centre and play as a CB basically and finally without him Xavi and Iniesta wouldn't be able to do half the things they do.. (they wouldn't be allowed to play as attacking as they do)

He's so important for Barcelona, always receives passes, starts the play and fills in at the back when needed.

He knows he is going to get the ball before it is passed to him, he then looks to see who in his team is free. He will then accept the pass and then knock it straight to the free player, he in most cases only ever uses one or two touches no more, he is the master of one touch to control then pass or direct pass.

Against Santos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls9OcInocao&feature=player_embedded#

just watch him


Schweinsteiger and Alonso play similar roles to Busquets. He is easily on a par with Xavi for short passes, he knows where the ball is going before it reaches him, very few players are like that. Why do you think Guardiola placed him as the second man in the set-piece routine Barca tried in the CL final?

It's surprising to see how ignorant some football fans are about some of the finer points of the game. There's a reason why Guardiola promoted Busquets in his first season as manager, and there's a reason why Barcelona's possession tiki taka has improved immensely since Yaya Toure left (and mind you, I love Yaya).

Busquets is a crucial part of the team. That is not to say he's more important than Xavi, or Messi, of course not, but the team just doesn't perform optimally without him. He's a genius in midfield, and the funny thing is that nobody notices his skill precisely because he has disciplined himself to play the most simple football one can play -- one touch. People dismiss Busquets as the least gifted of the Barcelona squad, when in reality, his skill is probably the most difficult to learn.

Nobody in the Barcelona squad has the discipline and skill for one-touch passing that Busquets has, because his role specifically requires him to be a master of first touch -- Busquets can literally play an entire game without taking two touches, and that says a lot not just about his technical prowess, but also his vision, awareness, and positioning.

Most people take this as a sign of Busquets' lack of skill which to me is hilarious, and tells me how little they know about the game. The fact is that you have to be incredibly disciplined, mentally, to be able to humble yourself into that role, because anyone who takes the time to watch Busquets can see that every now and then, he pulls off a BRILLIANT piece of dribbling, or embarrasses an opponent with a quick flick or skill move, the thing is, that he knows that his role as a pivot requires that he restrain his flair for the sake of the team -- it wouldn't help you keep possession if your holding midfielder tried to dribble past a lot of opponents, or if he was trying skill moves every two seconds now would it?

Again, people mistake Busquets' restraint as a sign of inability, as if he's not good enough.

Busqets' role as a pivot is what allows Barcelona's midfield to enjoy unprecedented spells of possession. When Iniesta or Xavi know defenders are hot on their trail, they know Busquets is the best man to pass the ball to, because he is usually always available for a pass, and because they know that he will distribute the ball almost immediately, usually with one perfect touch, which will move the ball safely to another Barcelona player before the opposing defenders can even begin to think of chasing it.

Barcelona's style of play relies on there always being someone available for a pass, and more often than not, that someone is Busquets.

Also, anyone saying Busquets didn't play a critical role for the Spanish national team seriously needs to read Zonal Marking's analysis of the World Cup Final -- Busquets was one of the main reasons Spain was able to win that game. He basically took Wesley Sneijder out of the game.

here:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/07/16/sergio-busquets-world-cup-final/

Please read.

And then read the last section of the analysis of a central midfielder's job in modern football:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/07/30/central-midfield-role/

Finally, here are some videos showing what many people seem to overlook: Busquet's genius.

Watch his complete domination against Villareal, notice some pretty nice flicks, skills, and dribbles towards the beginning of the video, proving that Busquets has the skill to play much more exuberantly than what he normally shows on the pitch. Then note how easily Barcelona keeps possession thanks to his quick and elegant passing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehCnW-dT08M&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaWU9Vw759s&feature=player_embedded

i know you like long posts, take your time to sift through all of that
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Guardiola on Busquets

"Busquets has won everything. Like Del Bosque said, if I could reincarnate as a footballer, I would like to be someone like him. He's the best midfielder in the world. I like his humility, his silence and that he is able to succeed without being the star. He gives us equilibrium. His teammates know that without him we can't play like we do. He always contributes. Barca has a priceless player. He will pick up the weight of the Puyols, Xavis and the rest. He was a great discovery and has grown a lot"
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Just for the record, people make tv shows on just about every single player in the world, the amount of times people will say "if I could be a footballer it would be him" is, frankly criminal.

All these interviews are all but identical, generic and worthless.

Barca couldn't play like they do without him........ except for all the years they played exactly like they do, without him thereby instantly proving what a throw away and stupid statement that is?

As for the rest, yes, again Walcott can look world class in a youtube video, and Heskey, and Messi can be made to look crap..... as very very easily can Walcott and Heskey.

If you've played in a league for over a year and someone CAN'T make a video of you looking good....... your name is Melo.

Even Denilson you could make a video of a dozen great goals and hundreds of fantastic passes.

The fact you would even suggest his short passing is on par with Xavi....... firstly it depends what you define short, I think just about everyone in the world can pass 4 inches with identical accuracy, because with a ball being so big you literally couldn't miss.

Even then, he is simply not the passer Xavi is, in any way, at all. Xavi/Fabergas/Messi rival each other for the best passers in the world, Iniesta a distant 4th maybe, Busquet's isn't remotely close to as good as them.

I can guarentee you that if you looked hard enough you could find almost identical statements from managers and team mates for say Torres and frankly, dozens of very average players who had success with a team...... general identical platitudes and vast media coverage of every player has been standard for a decade +, this shouldn't be news to you.
 
DM Psycho Sonny has already been preaching this crap aout Busquets being thee best CDM in the history of the sport in the fifa forum, Hes probably worse than you for arguing so dont respond or this will go on for ever! :D

That video is so pathetic btw half the stuff they highlight is just lol worthy, The very first footage of him turning around literally made me spit my tea out because the video creator made out like he just scored a goal from his own half when in reality he just turned around fast... wow
 
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