Spanish Grand Prix 2012, Catalunya - Race 5/20
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Whitmarsh was asked this and he said Lewis has different brakes that heat up the tires faster(also go off faster)
That's why Button used the same brakes in this race but he could not get used to them.
so the tyres aren't totally random and hamilton is using there performance fine. making your statements obsolete. Button always has and always will have a couple of races a year, where he totally gets his set up wrong. or have you got selective memory, like the senna comment in the wet. one race. in rain which is an equaliser. many world champions have done such things in the wet.
If JB got the setup wrong, then explain how he was fastest on Friday afternoon - surely this proves JB's setup was reasonable (for those temps at the very least)
Dont believe its as simple as yur making it sound
Just because Hamilton is showing a degree of consistency, does not mean that the tyres are completely understood.
Hamilton is about the only driver on the grid who has shown consistency. The rest of the drivers are up one GP. Then the next GP are down. There is a massive degree of randomness, as has been shown by the fact that we have had 5 different winners in as many races.
When you have Maldonado, in a Williams, winning a race, on merit, in the dry, with very little previous form, you know that the leading teams are failing to understand their cars (and probably their tyres).
But anyway, this is all proposition and supposition. Nothing concrete. And I hate to talk about the tyres (and the blown diffuser), as its been done to death in previous threads., so...as you were gents.
What are you going on about now?
Button and Lewis have always used different kind of brakes.
Lewis likes to hit the brakes hard but Button doesn't
So for this race they changed Buttons brakes because he could not get heat into the front tires in
australia he was ok it's just this race that's it you are reading to much into it.
And every tire is totally random as they cannot make all tires the same,
every driver has a bad setup from time to time, take a look at maldonado
williams set his car up right for him and he won Senna in the same car did not.
It is my opinion that these tires make false racing and overtaking and I'm not the only one.
No one has any idea the fuel loads of the cars on a Friday so comparisons in the times are basically meaningless.
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Practice we all know means pretty much jack, especially this year! Without knowing fuel loads or engine modes how can you possibly say who is fastest?
In qually I think we can all agree that Hamilton, this year, has it pretty much mastered.
I forget the mishaps he and Button have had that have messed their race pace up.
Very much looking forward to Monaco tho, Hamilton to win... finally! *fingers crossed*
To be fair to him back in Schumacher's days they didn't have junk tyres that forced drivers to brake 30 yards earlier than normal after only 13 laps, if it happens a bit more often perhaps these stupid Pirelli's will be banned on safety grounds.
The situation is not that much different to brake testing because the driver behind has no idea anymore what the car in fronts braking zone is and the braking zone can become quite extreme given the level of wear on these tyres.
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Mclaren need to get their act together. Based on hamiltons performance they have some serious pace...they need to make the most of it.
what performance? his laptimes were fine... he was quicker than rosberg in the first stint.
he managed to stay infront of vettel who pitted 2 laps earlier.
but this forum seems to be the only one on the internet that makes ridiculous claims when it comes to schumacher so its not suprise.
hamilton could crash with massa almost every race and it was never the english guys fault right.....
what performance? his laptimes were fine... he was quicker than rosberg in the first stint.
he managed to stay infront of vettel who pitted 2 laps earlier.
but this forum seems to be the only one on the internet that makes ridiculous claims when it comes to schumacher so its not suprise.
hamilton could crash with massa almost every race and it was never the english guys fault right.....
LULWUT?
Back in Schumacher's day he had the best tyres most seasons, a deal that meant Ferrari got better tyres from Bridgestone than other competitors on Bridgestone...
He had the ability to not drive up the back of other racers then, so everyone should expect him to have a tiny bit of anticipation to not do it now. :roll eyes:
Hopefully these Pirelli's stay and drivers start to get more grid drops if common sense and any sort of ability/anticipation continues to randomly allude them when they need a scape goat for not winning.
As much as I like MSc and the amusement he brings, I can not stand the Pirelli's being the constant scape goat for teams not being able to design cars that can adapt (or drivers who cannot show they are they best because they can adapt to different situations). The mark of a good team is one who can design a car that can win and be a trade off for different circumstances. To have ultra durable tyres again would give the teams too many constants to design their cars around again and turn the "racing" back into a mindless procession, something no one wants again.
The mark of a good racer is one who actually enjoys the challenge of getting the best out of a situation, something MSc did well back in the early days of Ferrari and something I'm amazed Rossi still does in Motogp. To hear all these "stars" whine about the tyres is just sad.
Surely, this makes the racing more interesting?
I got bored last season because Vettal was winning most of the races, and actually lost interest in the remainder as soon as he secured the title. Atleast this year we do not have a single racer/team steaming out infront.
hamilton could crash with massa almost every race and it was never the english guys fault right.....
If you remember last year, I slammed Hamilton for having so many crashes. A top driver should be having around 1 incident per year. That's how I see it. This year, Hamilton is a more careful, slower race driver, but is a better championship driver - a more complete driver than he was last year. This is shown in the championship table where only Vettel and Alonso are ahead of him. He is also beating his team-mate, which is VERY important.
Now lets talk MSc. Year on year he gets spanked by his team-mate. And this year, the magnitude of the spanking has increased by a big margin.
MSc has decent speed, but he is getting involved in a heck of a lot of incidents (whether those incidents are directly his fault are not, are completely irrelevant - the fact that he is getting involved in these incidents is creating a huge points deficit. A top driver must learn to adapt and drive more defensively, just as Hamilton is now doing).
If you compare MSc with Kimi (and I feel that both drivers are comparable), Kimi is now consistently beating his team-mate (which is VERY important) - MSc is not doing the same.
As far as I am concerned, MSc should give his seat up, to a younger driver, to give him the opportunity to become a top driver of the future. I was very much against Barrichello continuing in F1 and was glad when he left. The same goes for MSc.