SSD changing all the time, good for the PC market?

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many a time i have wanted to jump on the SSD wagon and can see the benefits, but to me its changing all the time with new speeds, updates and settings to take into account, part of me thinks at least with the old style, there was a standard 7200rpm blah blah and we all new the trusted makes and models it was all quite simple.

im a little confused about it all, and wondering if i go and spend a few bob the drive will be superseded within a few months

saying that i do want to get one as my misses wants to buy me something for xmas and i can't think of anything else i need.

Im after a good solid performer that operates without having countless firmware or having to use wiping software to gain speed back, is that possible?
 
I am exactly the same way. I think once the second gen 250 gb models come out I am going to make a move, but right now things are just changing too rapidly in that area, whats new today will be old hat tomorrow...
 
The PC market has always been the same, haven't you realised this yet?

yeah very good, i understand the PC market does not sit still and after x amount of time the high end stuff will demand the latest and greatest, but my graphics card for example (9600gt) was mid range when it came out 2 and a bit years ago and will still play the latest games no probs, the whole SSD market does not seem to have a standard.

most other products do... either in name of 'speed' there is some indication.
 
I love my Intel X25-M my pc is so responsive and quick now, for a laugh i plugged my old hard drive in and i was amazed how less responsive and slow things are, i got no problem having one now and in a years time i can always get a better one and use this for games install etc.

I actually find its made a big difference to arma 2 for example, stutters i had previously have gone it now feels much better and the bonus of faster loading times. For me always the let down in the pc market has been hardrive speeds, i have tried raid0 it was ok but nothing major in performance boost.
 
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many a time i have wanted to jump on the SSD wagon and can see the benefits, but to me its changing all the time with new speeds, updates and settings to take into account, part of me thinks at least with the old style, there was a standard 7200rpm blah blah and we all new the trusted makes and models it was all quite simple.

im a little confused about it all, and wondering if i go and spend a few bob the drive will be superseded within a few months

saying that i do want to get one as my misses wants to buy me something for xmas and i can't think of anything else i need.

Im after a good solid performer that operates without having countless firmware or having to use wiping software to gain speed back, is that possible?

There's really not a lot to be confused about.

They're SATA drives, you plug them in like a normal HD. You install Windows like a normal HD. You turn off defrag. You enjoy the benefits. That's all you need to do. Yes you can do more tweaks if you really want to, but it's not necessary.

Even when it slows down a bit over time, you're still faster than a HD - and you clean it - just like you would with a HD, but you use an SSD program instead of a defragger.

a lot of l the talk about TRIM, firmware and degradation is well over played, and IMO quite often raised by those who don't understand what this means, or just want to knock SSDs simply because they can't justify a purchase themselves at this time - and want to put others off it. From the firmware perspective what you've got to remember is that this an OC's forum. Just like many people upate their mobo BIOS the minute a new one is released to beta, the same is similar for SSDs. Now that Indilinx & Intel drives have TRIM support - it's becoming less of an issue as new drives will be shipped with TRIM supporting firmware, making subsequent firmware updates a case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If you're confident about fitting your own drive, installing windows, and general minor tweaks - then the downsides mentioned should be minor factors in your decision making. If you buy your kit at PCWorld and need directions as to where the on/off button is (not aimed at you _jimlad_ as I know you're more advanced than that!), then get someone else to fit it, and take a few hours over the next few months to read up how to get everything working under TRIM and keep your drive clean. Or learn how to make an image of HD, run a util to clean the drive in DOS, and reinstate your image.

As for recommendations; in no particular order;

Indilinx drives (Crucial M225, OCZ Vertex/Agility, Corsair X Series...)
Samsing drives (Samsung PB22J, Corsair P Series...)
Intel drives (Kingston V 40gb, Intel X25M)

Choose one of these with a capacity and budget that suits and you won't go far wrong.

Yes the drive will be superseded in a few months, just like CPUs, GFX cards and hard drives improve. In all likelihood the next drives will mean SATA3 for full speed, but you'll need a new mobo or PCI-e SATA3 card as well.
 
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There's really not a lot to be confused about.

They're SATA drives, you plug them in like a normal HD. You install Windows like a normal HD. You turn off defrag. You enjoy the benefits. That's all you need to do. Yes you can do more tweaks if you really want to, but it's not necessary.

Even when it slows down a bit over time, you're still faster than a HD - and you clean it - just like you would with a HD, but you use an SSD program instead of a defragger.

a lot of l the talk about TRIM, firmware and degradation is well over played, and IMO quite often raised by those who don't understand what this means, or just want to knock SSDs simply because they can't justify a purchase themselves at this time - and want to put others off it.

If you're confident about fitting your own drive, installing windows, and general minor tweaks - then the downsides mentioned should be minor factors in your decision making.

If you buy your kit at PCWorld and need directions as to where the on/off button is, then get someone else to fit it, and take a few hours over the next few months to read up how to get everything working under TRIM and keep your drive clean. Or learn how to make an image of HD, run a util to clean the drive in DOS, and reinstate your image.

As for recommendations; in no particular order;

Indilinx drives (Crucial M225, OCZ Vertex/Agility, Corsair X Series...)
Samsing drives (Samsung PB22J, Corsair P Series...)
Intel drives (Kingston V 40gb, Intel X25M)

Choose one of these with a capacity and budget that suits and you won't go far wrong.

Yes the drive will be superseded in a few months, just like CPUs, GFX cards and hard drives improve. In all likelihood the next drives will mean SATA3 for full speed, but you'll need a new mobo or PCI-e SATA3 card as well.

ok well thanks for the post, things make a little more sense, just been keeping a eye out over the last few months on how the SSD world is shaping up and really do want to get one, just worried i would get something that was a big hassle. appreciate the comments.

one quick question about the imaging side of installing? what is that supposed to gain aposed to a install direct onto the drive?
 
_Jimlad_ Check the edit :o

They're not really much hassle, degradation can take months before it's noticeable outside of a benchmark.

The imaging side is if you're drive doesn't have any tools to clean it, you can run a util such as Sanitary_Erase or HDDerase which wipes the SSD clean. These are destructive so taking an image, and reinstating after the clean is quicker than reinstalling Windows and your apps again.

This should no longer be necessary on Intel or Indilinx drives as they have their own tools. But if you're running a Samsung or in a RAID0 which doesn't support the tools then over a period you might choose to clean and restore.

I think the Kingston V 40gb for about £70-80 is a great way to dip your toe in. They come with the Intel 2HA TRIM firmware out of the box, and as a single drive you shouldn't have to worry about them at all.

HTH
 
Its still in the "early adopter" stage for me....i will certainly consider one for a build in 2011, but not next year.

This! The tech is moving too fast atm, once it has settled down and mass production brings prices down in the next year or two then I'll make the switch.
 
_Jimlad_ Check the edit :o

They're not really much hassle, degradation can take months before it's noticeable outside of a benchmark.

The imaging side is if you're drive doesn't have any tools to clean it, you can run a util such as Sanitary_Erase or HDDerase which wipes the SSD clean. These are destructive so taking an image, and reinstating after the clean is quicker than reinstalling Windows and your apps again.

This should no longer be necessary on Intel or Indilinx drives as they have their own tools. But if you're running a Samsung or in a RAID0 which doesn't support the tools then over a period you might choose to clean and restore.

I think the Kingston V 40gb for about £70-80 is a great way to dip your toe in. They come with the Intel 2HA TRIM firmware out of the box, and as a single drive you shouldn't have to worry about them at all.

HTH

ok thanks mate, so for a 64gig - 128gig drive, what would you recommend (that will work with the cleaning tools) around £170 is my limit i guess
 
If you need 128GB, then Crucial M225 is probably the cheapest Indilinx drive - new ones should come with the 1819 TRIM firmware, though there is due to be a new one in the next few weeks as it does slow down for some people. Also look at the 80gb Intel X25M if you can live with that size.

Both these drives have TRIM, and both do (or will shortly have) manual TRIM tools.
 
ok i see the Intel X25-M Mainstream 80gb for £166 all in... seems a good price?

so the tools side/firmware. that is easy to apply?

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now im confused! - the model for £166 i was looking at is SSDSA2MH080G201 & OCUK one reads SSDSA2MH080G2C1

spec seems the same?

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Intel® X25-M SATA Solid-State Drive

SSDSA2MH080G201 80GB MLC 2.5" drive, 7.0mm thick One SSD Desktop,

SSDSA2MH080G2C1 80GB MLC 2.5" drive, 9.5mm thick6 One SSD
 
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Moores law.

Some components follow some components dont. Averege equals out.

SSD's are at the crux of moores law right now.

Makes sense to wait till it levels out.

Simples.
 
This! The tech is moving too fast atm, once it has settled down and mass production brings prices down in the next year or two then I'll make the switch.

Same. They're also a tad small at the moment. I'd want to run my games off them. Of course general OS boot time/responsiveness is great but gaming load times is where these should really shine. Unfortunately 64gb for a modern OS and modern games which are rather large (My GTAIV installation is 14gb, Gears of War is 10gb, WoW is 15gb) it's just not feasible to have more than a few installed, and constantly uninstalling/reinstalling is a pain.

Once drives start hitting 250gb, and reduce in price by about a third I'll consider them. :)
 
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