Stacked the car this morning (pics)

R124/LA420 said:
With the greatest respect, I disagree with you.
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bingo, if you can't tell that your car is sliding then you must have the reactions of a tortoise or something.

And fox, being able to correct a slide is hardly heroic skill, I'd like to think that even an idiot could do it. Peter Solberg I am not, the difference being he like all rally drivers is crazy as hell, driving as though they have no respect for the car or their life, this ain't me.

The roads are very icy now, so I guess in my car with no driver aids, I won't be making it to Donington in one piece then ;)
 
silversurfer said:
Unless your reaction is instant it most likely wont matter and the thing thats weird with FWD is you dont even know straight away that the rear wheels have lost traction, or least I dont. By the time you do notice the oversteer, you've missed any chance to correct it
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I can tell instantly when the back end starts coming out in my car
 
Ok well maybe it varys by the cars handling, but the reaction must be instant or it's too late. 2 seconds for a crash would mean like half a second to have a chance of saving it, thats no time at all really


Ive spun a car on ice and there was no feedback and zero chance to correct it imo
 
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Tom|Nbk said:
Do you paint most new drivers with that brush?
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No, I'm painting Clarkey with it as a direct result of his comment. Could you possibly stop following me around with silly quips? If you were any good at making them you'd probably get away with it but given you fall flat on your face every time you try it its probably best you found something else to do. I know you are devasted we didnt think your HID kit was amazing, but really, it isnt the of the world.
 
[TW]Fox;11119441 said:
No, I'm painting Clarkey with it as a direct result of his comment. Could you possibly stop following me around with silly quips? If you were any good at making them you'd probably get away with it but given you fall flat on your face every time you try it its probably best you found something else to do. I know you are devasted we didnt think your HID kit was amazing, but really, it isnt the of the world.
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Just wondering how you gauged he had a "Peter Solberg" attitude from his comment. Seems a bit far fetched :confused:

Is that horse a bit high Fox?
 
nicRob said:
I can tell instantly when the back end starts coming out in my car
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difference is though, most drivers are not used to sideways and have never experienced it. therefore, the moment its going sideways, it feels alien, people wonder whats going on, panic and then its gone

this is why i beleive part of getting a licence should be a skid pad day. im not saying people are going to become master driftorz because hardly any of them are even capable of waking up before they get in the car, but the aim would be for them to have experianced what its like, maybe not drive like an idiot and screw it up in the first place, and if they do, not to panic and stand a chance of recovering it
 
FrostedNipple said:
InvG, you really like to brag about your crash don't you :p

glad your ok defcon :)
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Yup. :p

It's more getting the point across that I know what it's like to be in the situation, and realise just how bad it could have been rather than bragging...as it was a very stupid thing for me to do. :)

From the people saying you have no time to react, well I stopped myself from planting my car headlong into a hedge at around 70mph, but overcompensated on the steering and whilst trying to correct that it went up the opposite hedge and flicked onto it's roof. Had I had the knowledge of exactly what to do, and the experience of doing it before (did take the 5 sideways before that, but not at such a large speed) I'm sure my accident could have been avoided. :)

InvG
 
Matt82 said:
difference is though, most drivers are not used to sideways and have never experienced it. therefore, the moment its going sideways, it feels alien, people wonder whats going on, panic and then its gone

this is why i beleive part of getting a licence should be a skid pad day. im not saying people are going to become master driftorz because hardly any of them are even capable of waking up before they get in the car, but the aim would be for them to have experianced what its like, maybe not drive like an idiot and screw it up in the first place, and if they do, not to panic and stand a chance of recovering it
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i think this pretty much settles the arguament between clarkey and fox.

yes, you can save a slide etc.... but most 'ordinary' people don't know how to. these 'ordinary' people probably make up 90% of the driving population. the other 10% take an interest in cars and driving a bit closer to the limit and maybe get an idea of how it feels.

if you don't know what to expect you won't know how to handle it and will most likely panic. when you panic you don't always choose the best option - in this instance most people would slam the brakes on or freeze in fear.

i think people sometimes forget this is a motors forum and as such - everyone on here has an interest in driving and learning about it. not everyone else does.
 
i dont think its as high as 10% lol

i think a skid pad day would work great because the moment someone feels a car 'get away' from them and then the feeling of that abundance of momentum that 1 ton + of metal has really has a way of bringing you back down to earth about your driving style
 
Matt82 said:
i dont think its as high as 10% lol
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i don't either to be honest but i was giving the worst case in my opinion. :)

skid pans a good idea but it's already expensive enough just to get a damned car!

all they need really is some kind of restriction like with bikes. if under 21 then 2 years in something less than 60bhp for example.
 
i think that shock you get the first time you get a car out of control should be enough to open people's eyes

i remember taking my brother out for a driving lesson ages ago and he was driving too quickly. i asked him whether he knew how much grip he had (it was late evening, dewy and horrible) he was like 'eh?' so i got him to stand on the brakes. the car locked up almost instantly, abs juddering away in an attempt to bring it to a stop.

after that he realised it wasnt like a computer game where it turns in and sticks perfectly every time
 
Is this your first accident?

Everyone is entiteled to a prang of some sort, as long as they realise it was their fault, learn from it, and improve as a driver.

I stuck my Sierra in a ditch after 6 weeks of driving. Icy road + RWD + being cocky = no front bumper or lights and angry parents. IT was my fault. Admit it, learn from it, move on.

Gald to hear your ok. Life > Car...
 
I`ve had a few accidents in my 15yrs of driving. from driving too close to falling asleep halfway round a bend and if you dont die you learn

Its all experiance as long as you learn from it. its a mistake if you dont learn your stupid

I do 50-60k miles a year and am still learning
 
Muffin` said:
Pics? :p :D
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