Poll: Steiermark Grand Prix 2020, Spielberg - Race 2/?

[chrismscotland]

I do wonder if Red Bull are thinking of replacing Albon with Vettel???????

I wouldn't be surprised to be honest, I half think Seb might feel a bit more at home at Red Bull even though it's very much the Max show now. Most of the other personnel are still around (Horner, Newey, etc)

Red Bull are unlikely to have a set 1-2 driver anyway in the event that Seb was way ahead challenging for a title I'd expect Horner and Marko to ask Max to support him and vice versa.

Also if Red Bull really are frontrunners surely they'd rather have 2 proven front runners instead of Max and a junior that can't keep up, they really should have kept Sainz, he's probably been the best of their youth crop (Max aside)

 

[CaptainRAVE]

No Ferrari engines scored a point. Ouch. I believe max had something to say about that last season

 

[CSMonkeh]

Hungary next - another Hamilton v Verstappen perhaps. Definitely a strong circuit for both
Hilarious Ferrari’s crash again although unlucky to be both taken out
Telling no points for Ferrari engines - karma will catch you sooner or later.

 

[edGfaCTor]

Odd that you have respect for a guy that amongst other things:

Drove and happily won races in a Benetton of dubious legality
Demanded number 1 driver status to the level that his team mate was forced to concede position on several occasions
Was such team player that he refused to help Irvine to the '99 championship once he came back from injury because he wanted to be the first Ferrari WDC of that era
Drove a Ferrari with Bridgestone tyres that were over a second a lap quicker than the Bridgestones supplied to other teams
Attempted to take out a competitor after he had crashed finishing his won championship chances

I would also suggest that the 2008 McLaren wasn't the fastest car on the grid that year, yet Lewis still took it to the championship

No evidence that the car broke any rules they do check them you don't just turn up and they let you drive whatever you want. (even to this day they have no evidence)
Number 1 status so he was one of the reason the team was in position it was in and if it was so bad why would other drivers agree to that deal. (LH is number 1 driver they wont admit it but he is they selected Bottas because they know hes not on same level and this is why LH threw toys out of the pram with Rosberg stuff he didn't like they was being treated equal)
Refused to help Irvine according to who Irvine that guy is bitter just listen to him regarding anything F1, again others have stated that is not the case you are trying to rewrite history look at the race results it was nothing to do with Schumacher.
Again you are twisting history Ferrari spent a lot of time working and testing with Bridgestone so they had all the data for the tires it was nothing to do with they was getting better tires over others stop lying.
Yes that last one was not great but that is competitive nature at times you will do whatever you have to do and if you are referring to the one he failed at he was DQ from championship but if you are on about Hill one Hill himself has re watched it and even stated seeing the footage from Schumachers car now and modern tech enhancing its not as straight forward as it appeared.

What is defined as fastest? that car in some areas was the best others not so yes it does require a good driver as well I never said LH wasn't a good driver.

I shouldn't of wasted my time commenting so many LH fanboys on here with rose tinted specs.

 

[Flibster]

Protest has not been thrown out, but not upheld. FIA have ordered Mercedes to provide the W10's front and rear brake ducts so they can be compared to the ones taken off the Racing Point cars.



Thing is, the ducts change almost at every race... Which version do they want?

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Why the brake ducts specifically? I thought the fia had already looked over the car designs?

 

[BuffetSlayer]

I felt the race was a bit boring really.

Some quality performances from mid pack drivers though. Norris and Perez did really well.

Not sure about Albon. He just doesn't seem anywhere near the pace he needs to be.

And whilst Bottas was on a different strategy and put in a solid drive, he still finished about 15 seconds behind Hamilton.

 

[Mr Jack]

Why the brake ducts specifically? I thought the fia had already looked over the car designs?

Presumably because that's what Renault protested specifically.

 

[this_is_gav]

So Hamilton has still won a race in every season that he has raced. Crazy stat really. 14 seasons according to the F1 site.

He's had a car capable of winning every year though, so you wouldn't expect otherwise. Yeah, he's outperformed the car a few times, but he's also had the fastest car at one point in every one of those seasons.

In fact he's had a car capable of a championship challenge in 11 of those years (including this) and the class of the field in nine of those years.

The same might have extended to Senna (had he not first raced for Toleman, and lost his life early) and Schumacher had 15 consecutive years with wins.

 

[this_is_gav]

Was such team player that he refused to help Irvine to the '99 championship once he came back from injury because he wanted to be the first Ferrari WDC of that era

Odd that I remember Schumacher utterly controlling the Malaysia race on his return to ensure his teammate won while whilst keeping Hakkinen behind him at all points. It's not his fault that Irvine (an apparent Suzuka specialist) fell apart in the last race and couldn't keep up.

I would also suggest that the 2008 McLaren wasn't the fastest car on the grid that year, yet Lewis still took it to the championship

Hamilton only won the championship because his car was more reliable (no mechanical failures to Massa's two mechanical failures plus the fuel hose in Singapore).

 

[englishpremier]

Odd that you have respect for a guy that amongst other things:

Drove and happily won races in a Benetton of dubious legality
Demanded number 1 driver status to the level that his team mate was forced to concede position on several occasions
Was such team player that he refused to help Irvine to the '99 championship once he came back from injury because he wanted to be the first Ferrari WDC of that era
Drove a Ferrari with Bridgestone tyres that were over a second a lap quicker than the Bridgestones supplied to other teams
Attempted to take out a competitor after he had crashed finishing his won championship chances

I would also suggest that the 2008 McLaren wasn't the fastest car on the grid that year, yet Lewis still took it to the championship

That's not true. He qualified 1 second ahead of the pack in his first race back and gave up the lead of the race to Irvine. The Farrari's were declared illegal and stripped of their positions, then on appeal re-instated just in time for Suzuka. Which Mika won. Michael was second and Irvine third. It was impossible for Irvine to win the championship with Mika in 1st place, as Mika had won more races. 5 to Irvine's 4.

 

[413x]

Think I'll start with 'lol ferrari' can it get any worse? This time it leclerc making mistakes
They should just focus on next year now.

Great drives by perez, norris and Hamilton. Shame for perez at the end. Owned stroll.
One thing this race did was highlight team mate gaps.

How many places did norris make on that last lap?
Bad choice with the soft tyres on Riccardo. That's problem with medium at start. Forces a bad late strategy.
I only support Renault as a legacy thing. Really don't like Cyril.

That trophy bot.. Wtf was that?


Quite like this back to back thing. Well, obviously not Monaco. That would be the worst

Quite like the C4 coverage. So much better than the sky stuff I've seen

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Hungary next. Next record, to equal 8 wins (Schumacher) at a single race track. Hamilton is also only 3 podiums away from equalling Schumachers 155 with 56 fewer race entries. He’s certainly racking up those stats.

 

[Mr Jack]

Bad choice with the soft tyres on Riccardo. That's problem with medium at start. Forces a bad late strategy.

I don't really understand the strategy. They put him on Mediums so he can run longer into the race, and then pit at the same time as the cars on softs? Only way that makes sense is if the Renault is really bad with its tyres, but in that case they'd have had to go onto hards. Just seems a poor choice.

 

[pacegod]

Why the brake ducts specifically? I thought the fia had already looked over the car designs?

Likely because the internals of a brake duct is very complicated and if found they match the Merc then RP likely had 'outside' help. There aren't lots of photos on the Merc inner brake duct workings.

 

[booyaka]

It would be an interesting move, Vettel has rarely looked comfortable with a quick team mate, though that's generally where he has been #1 and felt challenged.

Maybe if he went back to RBR on the understanding he was second fiddle to Max it would work but that'd be a serious comedown in stature for a former 4 time champion.

Horner confirmed zero chance of Seb coming back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGDHdZ0IlCg

 

[Mr Jack]

He's had a car capable of winning every year though, so you wouldn't expect otherwise. Yeah, he's outperformed the car a few times, but he's also had the fastest car at one point in every one of those seasons.

What do "capable of winning" and "fastest car at one point" mean here? Because they're pretty much tautologies if you're not careful. It's certainly the case that Hamilton wasn't in the fastest car overall in a lot of these seasons, and in two of these seasons his teammates didn't win a single race (2009 and 2018). He's had seats at top teams because he proved himself one of the best drivers on the grid in his rookie season, and he's consistently delivered on that promise every year bar 2011 - where he had one heck of a mare.

 

[Armageus]

Horner confirmed zero chance of Seb coming back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGDHdZ0IlCg

But just to add fuel to the fire:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1282273852190601216

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Vettel vs albon. I’d take vettel. Albon lacks speed and awareness.

 

[booyaka]

Vettel vs albon. I’d take vettel. Albon lacks speed and awareness.

vettel brings way too many problems to Red Bull - Max is the number 1, Vettel would not be happy playing 2nd fiddle to max.