Still Struggling to get to grips with my 40D

Because currently the only way i can do it is to see what it looks like in the preview mode on the camera, and on the live view screen that looked in focus and sharp :(
This might seem like a daft question but can I ask how you're actually using the camera? The explanation above sounds nothing like how I would do it.

For something like the portrait you posted earlier I would

1) Stick the camera in Av mode and set it to f/2.8 (f/1.8 is a bit soft and has a very narrow DoF, f/2.8 is more forgiving)

2) Frame the shot and half press to check the metering

3) Adjust the ISO if the shutter speed is too low

4) Re-frame the shot, ensure that the camera used a sensible focus point or select and appropriate one. Take the shot.

No preview, no live view required.
 
That test shot could have been properly focused, with the 1/8th shutter speed causing the difficulty. In that particular shot, increasing the ISO would have improved the shutter speed and *may* have resulted in a sharper image. A flash would also have improved the light, probably sufficiently to use a 1/200th shutter speed which would at least eliminate camera shake from the equation.

Remember that photography is about capturing light. Understanding how the camera settings affect the exposure helps to understand what the results will be. I think it would help you greatly to understand exposure before worrying too much about metering and focus. Set metering to evaluative, and the focus point to the centre, and concentrate your efforts on proper exposure. When you've sussed exposure, branch out into different metering for creative effects, and different focus points where required.

Ignoring flash for now (because that opens up a whole other area of understanding), you have three basic settings to control light reaching the camera sensor (or film) - shutter speed, aperture size, and ISO.

Shutter speed: for handheld shots, you will always have a minimum shutter speed in order to obtain sharp shots. What this speed is will depend on the focal length, whether you are using an IS lens, and how steady your hands are. People above have indicated that the general rule is 1/focal length (for 35mm equivalent). Your 40D is a crop body, which means that your 35mm equivalent is the focal length multiplied by 1.6. Use the guide Zogger provided to help you here, and remember that this is just a guide and varies with how steady your hands are etc. Without a flash, there is no real maximum shutter speed apart from what your camera limits you to.

Aperture: this is the size of the 'hole' that lets light onto the sensor/film. The bigger the hole, the more light comes through. This also impacts on depth of field (the 'depth' of the focus area), but for now this is a more advanced technique which I wouldn't worry about until you're understanding of exposure is a little stronger.

ISO: Originating from film era, different films had different sensitivity to light. A more sensitive film requires less light to expose correctly - enabling more flexibility for low light shots. In the digital era, this is recreated by applying gain to the light that reaches the sensor, creating the same basic affect to exposure.

I personally would try to select my aperture first, shutter speed second and ISO third. But this isn't always possible, depending on the conditions and the required effect. When you understand how these interact with one another, you'll find adding metering into the equation is quite logical.

Also remember that metering will only control camera settings when not in manual mode. But it will give you an indication of exposure even in manual. Try changing between manual mode and other creative modes to learn when to apply which.

Sorry for the long ramble, but hope it helps :)
 
This might seem like a daft question but can I ask how you're actually using the camera? The explanation above sounds nothing like how I would do it.

For something like the portrait you posted earlier I would

1) Stick the camera in Av mode and set it to f/2.8 (f/1.8 is a bit soft and has a very narrow DoF, f/2.8 is more forgiving)

2) Frame the shot and half press to check the metering

3) Adjust the ISO if the shutter speed is too low

4) Re-frame the shot, ensure that the camera used a sensible focus point or select and appropriate one. Take the shot.

No preview, no live view required.

I don't really know what i'm doing tbh.

Complete amateur at this.

Thanks for the great advice :)
 
As a general rule dont hand held shoot anything below 1/60th without been very steady.
1/8th is horrendously slow. Listen to the shutter speed at 1/8th compared to 1/60th and you'll see what your doing wrong.

Shoot the lens wide open and as recommended step it down abit to broaden the depth of field. Bump up that ISO. To be honest you should leave it set to 400 or more when doing hand held work when your aperture is set down to say F8. Start off around that and you'll get your feel.
AV priority is the best mode to get you started in. Allowing you to define the depth of field in your shots based on your F number but be aware of shallow focusing and shutter speeds when at both ends of the F scale.
 
Shoot the lens wide open and as recommended step it down abit to broaden the depth of field. Bump up that ISO. To be honest you should leave it set to 400 or more when doing hand held work when your aperture is set down to say F8. Start off around that and you'll get your feel.
AV priority is the best mode to get you started in. Allowing you to define the depth of field in your shots based on your F number but be aware of shallow focusing and shutter speeds when at both ends of the F scale.
Fine advice for a seasoned photographer with an in-depth knowledge of the terminology, but utterly useless for someone like MrLOL.

I know you know your stuff, Johnny, but that might as well be written in Greek for all the use it will be.
 
Fine advice for a seasoned photographer with an in-depth knowledge of the terminology, but utterly useless for someone like MrLOL.

I know you know your stuff, Johnny, but that might as well be written in Greek for all the use it will be.

actually it makes sense, dont shoot shot at F 1.8 - bring it down a couple of F stops to broadfen the depth of field -enabling more of the shot to be in focus.

Also increase the ISO to make it more sensitive to light and to be able to use quicker shutter speeds to reduce shake.

My trouble is knowing what values to use.

I know what apperture priority is, and i know what shutter speed is. I just never know what values to use when i'm shooting :)

The tip about using 1/60 or quicker indoors is very helpful.
 
'Understanding Exposures' by Bryan Peterson. I found this to be a fantastic book that helped me understand what all these things are and do and how altering one affects the others. Well recommended! :) Granted I'm still very much trying to find my feet with all this a year later but I do feel like I could try and make a half decent attempt at setting the right settings for a given shot now.

Also don't forget, increasing the ISO will start to introduce noise into your photo's
 
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Definitely think about a copy of Understanding Exposure, it really helped me when I was starting out.

My trouble is knowing what values to use.
1) Let the camera guide you. Stick with Av mode to begin with, it's probably the most useful of the semi-auto modes. The camera will meter the scene and suggest an appropriate shutter speed for your chosen aperture, if you need a different shutter speed then you can adjust the aperture or ISO accordingly.

2) Experiment. Take lots of photos of the same scene with different settings and see how the results vary.
 
actually it makes sense, dont shoot shot at F 1.8 - bring it down a couple of F stops to broadfen the depth of field -enabling more of the shot to be in focus.
Apologies all-round then, not least to Johnny.

I thought you'd be utterly lost with all that.

'Understanding Exposures' by Bryan Peterson. I found this to be a fantastic book that helped me understand what all these things are and do and how altering one affects the others. Well recommended!
I prefer what Michael Freeman has to say in Perfect Exposure and The Photographer's Eye myself.

But UE is still a good starting point for the rank amateur.

Let the camera guide you. Stick with Av mode to begin with, it's probably the most useful of the semi-auto modes. The camera will meter the scene and suggest an appropriate shutter speed for your chosen aperture, if you need a different shutter speed then you can adjust the aperture or ISO accordingly.
Definitely agree with this.

I've pretty much stuck with Av since I first started using an SLR and I've got to know it as well as I think is possible on my camera; certainly to the point where I can trust it and the camera's metering almost implicitly.

One useful-ish tool for MrLOL to try and get his head around is the DOF Calculator. That ought to help him to visualise his depth-of-field at various apertures and should hopefully get him thinking about suitable/usable settings before he picks up the camera.

I he can begin to understand the relationship between Aperture, Shutter Speed and ISO in the quest for 'perfect' exposure he'll start to work out for himself how adjusting one affects the other two. Nail that and he'll be halfway there to fully getting to grips with an SLR.
 
Mr LOL i've recently got the 1.8 50mm lens and have been playing with it on a 350d indoors.

It's always a bit soft at f1.8 regardless of anything else, seems very very sharp at f2.8 and above. I try to shoot at a minimum of f2.5 or 2.8 which still gives a good background blur (bokeh). I do use f1.8 if i'm not worried about sharpness and want "maximum bokeh".

Also I find indoors using ISO 100 is nearly always too slow - I can't get the shutter speed high enough for a sharp shot. I often use ISO 800 indoors which gives a nice high shutter speed - I like at least 1/80 for any handheld shots with this lens (applies indoors or outdoors). I tired ISO 1600 but the picture starts to lose quality at this setting on the 350d. The 40d might be OK with this though!

Basically in short, ISO 800 and f2.8 is usually my starting point for indoor stuff with this lens, and I often get my sharpest indoor results on this setting.
 
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