Stolen Lego, corrupt police and a youtuber.

Meridian said:
My personal view has always been: what's the bit you aren't telling me? Because even if it's the truth and nothing but the truth, I guarantee it's not the whole truth. Everyone does this: "tidy up" the story. Leave out the bits that complicate it. Simplify it. Etc. And vital evidence gets left out.
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You are broadly correct but I don't think they have had to do much if any spin work on this. All the performative BS that the yoot will like ie. OMG, the law is so dumb, you can get around it by this really stupid trick is stupid and counterproductive but unless they are absolute masterminds then the CEO of B&M and the store owner have tried to steal the guys lego.

Its not like they have been speculating, they have a ridiculous number of clips of both the CEO and the owner lying, admitting they aren't going to give back stuff they had taken, completely doing 180 turns on the truth and trying to lie and cheat at almost every turn. They simply did not think this was going to go beyond a little town spat and they had all the power as evidenced by their influence on the police. Its grown well beyond their sphere of power and when they realised that they have been trying to deflect blame and play dumb.

I'm sure there is stuff that we haven't been told and it will all come out in time but I am very sure that the CEO and owner have been absolute scumbags on this.
 
Meridian said:
Therein lies the problem. It always amuses me the way that people (not just on this forum) will happily support one side in an argument based on a very one-sided version of events. Mostly it's just Confirmation Bias at work, as it clearly is here. My personal view has always been: what's the bit you aren't telling me? Because even if it's the truth and nothing but the truth, I guarantee it's not the whole truth. Everyone does this: "tidy up" the story. Leave out the bits that complicate it. Simplify it. Etc. And vital evidence gets left out.
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I think a big chunk missing that would be coming out in a trial is what the owners did before they reached out to ben, they mention a woman giving death threats to their staff which is why when ben starts his campaign they're already on edge.

That said, the clips themselves, the owners and police speaking on their own video, often their own bodycam footage (unless ai faking has gotten real good) does point me more towards shenanigans than against.

But then karen reads most recent case against michael proctor has primed me to be very open to the idea of police corruption in small town america.
 
Can't wait for pt3 on YouTube. Like many here, I never heard of this Ben lad. Give him his dues, hes made 2 very entertaining videos on this, revealing more corruption as the minutes ticked by. Clearly the videos are made for his subscribers and are probably very biased but all this stuff about him sending death threats and what not, thats got to be BS surely.

End of pt2 made me chuckle.

I'M IN MEXICO...
 
Part 3 is supposed to really ramp up in regards the charges they are making against him, the police I mean.

One of the worrying things is that justice is never perfect, Ben now faces potentially a decade plus in jail.

Also the court case that BAM have now finally filed lists the Patreon as being proceeds from crime (in effect) and as such BAM seek to recover it as part of the court case.

I am not sure if its all above but over the last few days it seems BAM have reached out to and offered to make good for the original guy and his dad, you know the action they should have done day 1.
Their brand rep seems to be getting absolutely wrecked over this.
A company that produces custom minis has come out and said they cannot work with BAM now even though BAM were their largest customer and asking fans to recommend indy shops they can deal with.

Ben says some of the largest well known law firms have been reaching out to him, so hopefully one of them does go pro bono.

This looks to me like a company (CEO and senior members) well out of their depth. The initial take back of the franchise being a mess. (I have done a takeover walk in thing and was properly briefed/trained in order to be able to do so)

BAM seem to trying to push most of the blame onto Chrystal (previous franchise owner), and it seems there was an issue between her and them which has boiled over into this issue.
BAM have also parted ways with the two guys who took over the franchise (they claim) although those guys also run another franchise which a staff member of claims has been unaffected.
 
It's deeply concerning what the police have done and there needs to be an investigation in to it. They apparently have free reign to do what they want. The corruption runs deep.

B&M went down the road they did out of choice and they deserve to pay for that.
 
Due to this all that you tube is recommending is now video after video of people commenting on this etc
So to just give that algo a bit more to go on I rondomly clicked one I hadnt planned to watch but overheard some interesting stuff

I heard some of the conversations we saw from Bens video but from the police perspective.

It does shine a bit of a different light on some of the points Ben makes.
Although doesn't really change much its interesting to see the police POV
The car stop, the trying to serve papers etc, also mentions another thing where they acted as UPS to deliver to the guys house you obviously dont see in Bens videos, which seems to be a trigger behind a lot of the stalking

 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Due to this all that you tube is recommending is now video after video of people commenting on this etc
So to just give that algo a bit more to go on I rondomly clicked one I hadnt planned to watch but overheard some interesting stuff

I heard some of the conversations we saw from Bens video but from the police perspective.

It does shine a bit of a different light on some of the points Ben makes.
Although doesn't really change much its interesting to see the police POV
The car stop, the trying to serve papers etc, also mentions another thing where they acted as UPS to deliver to the guys house you obviously dont see in Bens videos, which seems to be a trigger behind a lot of the stalking

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I had to go into my watch history and delete all the videos I already watched to stop the suggestions, there were just too many of them! It seems every man and his dog has created a video on this topic and I've not even heard of any of the Youtubers.


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What has also harmed BAM is the resurfacing of other youtuber's videos from months ago where customers have been duped, misled and or robbed by other non-related BAM franchises.

One example is where a bloke tests the store's honesty by including a $1000 chrome C3-PO in a bunch of other figurines for a valuation. The bloke of the franchise tries to nick it for himself!
 
Mysterae_ said:
What has also harmed BAM is the resurfacing of other youtuber's videos from months ago where customers have been duped, misled and or robbed by other non-related BAM franchises.

One example is where a bloke tests the store's honesty by including a $1000 chrome C3-PO in a bunch of other figurines for a valuation. The bloke of the franchise tries to nick it for himself!
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ah i saw a comment about a chrome C3PO earlier but without context, makes sense now
 
adolf hamster said:
That said, the clips themselves, the owners and police speaking on their own video, often their own bodycam footage
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All of it? Or just the bits that support one side? What was going on in the video five minutes for the before the bit you were shown? Editing video footage to push an argument is as old as video footage. I'm not saying there might not be issues, but things are seldom that clear-cut.
 
It just goes to show how bad the US is. This Youtuber is most likely going to have to spend the rest of his life in Mexico. Regardless how he outed the Police and this company. The stuff he did on video will have little repercussions but the civil case that will be brought by the corporation will ruin him.

Hopefully they can just settle this outside of court as no one wins either situation really. If they go to court the youtuber will almost certainly lose the civil side of it and be in prison for a long time and the damage for the corporation to teach him a "lesson" would be irreversible for the company. Although maybe it has already gone past that as no one will want to associate with the corporate brand anymore.

It is such a weird place when the corporate have done this all to themselves but at the same time the one who exposed it risks doing time.
 
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Absolutely brilliant.. 10/10 for the sheer effort that's gone into making such a compelling video and trying to get this chaps stuff back. Thanks for posting.

What really got me was how little compassion and understanding was shown by B&M management. This should be a lesson in how to destroy your brand.

I'm normally one to defend the police. They deal with clowns on the daily under difficult circumstances and there's usually another side to the story.. But every follow up and commentary video I've seen has put them in an incredibly bad light over this.

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It just goes to show how bad the US is. This Youtuber is most likely going to have to spend the rest of his life in Mexico.
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I believe the police have since backtracked and said there's no warrant out for his arrest so I doubt he'll be in Mexico for long(if he still is)
 
Some of the videos involving the Police that come out of the US are wild, just seen one where a woman was stopped and fined for allegedly driving while texting with a phone in her right hand, and the officer was absolutely insistent when he walked upto the car that he had seen her with a phone in her right hand.

The thing is though, she doesn’t have a right hand, her lower right arm is missing from below the elbow, and what’s more, someone’s reviewed her appeal against the fine and rejected it, so she’s going to gavel to go to court.
 
Meridian said:
All of it? Or just the bits that support one side? What was going on in the video five minutes for the before the bit you were shown? Editing video footage to push an argument is as old as video footage. I'm not saying there might not be issues, but things are seldom that clear-cut.
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The bits I've seen so far. I'm not going to pretend that the the sources I've seen exclusively are or have originated from reckless ben (ie lawtube commentary).

and as i mentioned previously:
adolf hamster said:
But then karen reads most recent case against michael proctor has primed me to be very open to the idea of police corruption in small town america.
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So yes, it's pretty much expected that I'm leaning towards corruption and yes that is an entirely biased standpoint.

If there's other sources for the clips that include the kind of context you're talking about, then I'm sure I'm not the only one in this thread interested to see if it contains anything meaningful.

I do not discount the possibility that there's evidence that could and would change my mind on this although I suspect that we'll need to wait for court before that sort of thing gets to see the light of day.

It might never as idk if they're going to be having cameras in the courtroom given the media profile of the case.
 
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Droolinggimp said:
Can't wait for pt3 on YouTube. Like many here, I never heard of this Ben lad. Give him his dues, hes made 2 very entertaining videos on this, revealing more corruption as the minutes ticked by. Clearly the videos are made for his subscribers and are probably very biased but all this stuff about him sending death threats and what not, thats got to be BS surely.

End of pt2 made me chuckle.

I'M IN MEXICO...
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watched the first one this morning.

i am now heavily invested.
 
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