Stolen Lego, corrupt police and a youtuber.

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I think I read somewhere that the google doc in his video should have a full audit trail of who has opened, read and edited that doc, so should be pretty valuable info to find out who had access to it. So if the BAMF GSuite audit records get subpoenaed it's should be pretty easy to tell who had access when and whose lying?
 
UberTiger said:
I think I read somewhere that the google doc in his video should have a full audit trail of who has opened, read and edited that doc, so should be pretty valuable info to find out who had access to it. So if the BAMF GSuite audit records get subpoenaed it's should be pretty easy to tell who had access when and whose lying?
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Yeah some people can be so dumb. I had a manager like that in a previous job. He was falsifying giveaway % records (basically how much food product you are giving away for free during a production run where a certain weight is needed) instead of trying to fix the issues. Like for example a machine dosing too much product on the third bank. It is a valid KPI to track as it can run into hundreds and thousands in a big place if not monitored. Tried to blame it on someone else but the edited excell document was last saved by the person denying it and could be checked through the history of the document.
 
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Mark A said:
This comment made me laugh
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Credit to him for getting all sides to speak so openly despite their presumably pretty entrenched hostility to each other. Although its clear everyone is putting their best story forwards thinking coffeezilla is their ticket to winning back the moral high ground.

It does reinforce the idea that bam corporate, wether they were strictly on the legal hook or no would have been so much better off by just paying the man.
200k was already a good deal to look like the good guys in the public sphere and 50-80k doesnt make that deal any worse for them compared to what they've lost in pr thanks to the way they decided to fight.

Ben does look like a fool who went off half-cocked but it seems like he still has a cause to fight for just not as strong a cause as his original claims (which tbf plenty of other folk have called out the whole 200k number).

That said, this is only the original dispute, the cops acting how they did has become its own animal entirely.
 
adolf hamster said:
Ben does look like a fool who went off half-cocked but it seems like he still has a cause to fight for just not as strong a cause as his original claims (which tbf plenty of other folk have called out the whole 200k number).
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Ben did his job by getting the story out there. His persistence helped, especially with the corrupt cops as I think most people would've backed off. The monetary figure is largely immaterial because BAM were never going to do anything about it so I don't see how he's the fool in this.

All they needed to do was do a proper inventory and pay the man/give back his goods. They're probably millions out of pocket at this point over ~50k.
 
Mesai said:
Ben did his job by getting the story out there. His persistence helped, especially with the corrupt cops as I think most people would've backed off. The monetary figure is largely immaterial because BAM were never going to do anything about it so I don't see how he's the fool in this.
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A fair point, he did see injustice and called it out to the world even when he was being threatened.
 
Yeah, fair enough he took the high end value of $200k when it was obviously an estimated range.

But even at $80-$100k it's still a lot of money and clearly BAMF have acted in bad faith from the very start and gone down a very corrupt route to try and just make the situation go away.

The uhaul evidence and loading stock at another store is incredibly suspect and makes them look even worse. It's hard to believe they didn't know about that.
 
adolf hamster said:
Credit to him for getting all sides to speak so openly despite their presumably pretty entrenched hostility to each other. Although its clear everyone is putting their best story forwards thinking coffeezilla is their ticket to winning back the moral high ground.

It does reinforce the idea that bam corporate, wether they were strictly on the legal hook or no would have been so much better off by just paying the man.
200k was already a good deal to look like the good guys in the public sphere and 50-80k doesnt make that deal any worse for them compared to what they've lost in pr thanks to the way they decided to fight.

Ben does look like a fool who went off half-cocked but it seems like he still has a cause to fight for just not as strong a cause as his original claims (which tbf plenty of other folk have called out the whole 200k number).

That said, this is only the original dispute, the cops acting how they did has become its own animal entirely.
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The money is irrelevant though. They could be worth $50. The fact they denied to even having the Lego and even holding onto them is just flat out wrong. They don't own the Lego it is on sale and return. They give back the dude the Lego then chase it up with the previous owners if there is any discrepancy with regards to money. As a company you don't just keep something that doesn't belong to you.
 
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adam cool dude said:
The money is irrelevant though. They could be worth $50. The fact they denied to even having the Lego and even holding onto them is just flat out wrong. They don't own the Lego it is on sale and return. They give back the dude the Lego then chase it up with the previous owners if there is any discrepancy with regards to money. As a company you don't just keep something that doesn't belong to you.
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You're right that the way this should have ended is with the new franchise owners reviewing the contract, giving the man back his unsold lego and paying him his cut for what had been sold. hell they could have re-negotiated to keep the contract going and just gotten free profit from selling stock they didn't even have to buy.

My meaning was that assuming either the new or the old store owners did steal the Lego, looking from the corporate franchise headquarters perspective, where the view is they aren't 100% responsible for what their individual franchisee's have in the shop they've definitely chosen the wrong path.

The thing to do in that situation is go "Ok, we'll review this and if the contract with the previous owner is legit we'll pay you what you're owed out of our massive corporate pockets" then deal with the individual store on the quiet.

That way they can handwave any and all criticism of their franchise by saying "whoops, looks like that guy who bought the store was a wrong 'un but don't worry we made sure the sweet old man got his money".

Even Elon "my heart goes out to you" Musk knows that even when you've no obligation making a token gesture in a crisis is a great way to try and buy goodwill. certainly when the alternative is nosediving their franchises reputation so hard into the ground we're here in the UK talking about the aftershock it's the most profitable decision.

I'll admit that the corporate owners have come across a lot better in coffee's video than anywhere else I've seen them speaking, although the fact that this is yet another version of events that's being told will make for some fiery dialogue when the lawyers get to grill people on the stand.
 
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I'll admit that the corporate owners have come across a lot better in coffee's video than anywhere else I've seen them speaking, although the fact that this is yet another version of events that's being told will make for some fiery dialogue when the lawyers get to grill people on the stand.
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They have tried to weasel out of it at every turn and thats basically how this whole thing started. B&M head office literally just needed to say "hey guys, we're not 100% sure of whats happened here, we need to establish the facts and then we can discuss all this". That would be basic common sense. Instead they just assumed they were the power in the situation and that they could bully everyone. Make no mistake, if reckless Ben hadn't picked up on this or kept going at them, they would have just got away with it and nothing would have happened. They had absolutely zero interest in doing the right thing or looking into this at all. Their attitude and behaviour from the start was awful.

They have tried repeatedly to make this whole thing disappear and they have done so by trying to lash out at everyone else. As far as I can tell the only time that they have been remotely interested in a proper and legal resolution to this is when they finally got it into their thick skulls that this was bigger than them and that they were finally on the back foot and dealing with more powerful/wealthy people than themselves.
 
Never heard of this until reading this thread. Stuck my nose in for 10 mins to see what it's about and lost about 6 hours !

I'd really like to think that corporates will see this and realise that the Joe Bloggs finally has a voice as there's thousands upon thousands of Joe Bloggs out there tired of this bullying.

I never realised before but the Mormons is just like a gentleman's club looking after their own. Hopefully there will be serious implications for the law enforcers who have been breaking the laws themselves.
 
Oh look. Another example of corporate greed and police corruption. Has someone called the fire department for the brothers? Their pants seem to be very much alight.
 
Littlenose said:
I'd really like to think that corporates will see this and realise that the Joe Bloggs finally has a voice as there's thousands upon thousands of Joe Bloggs out there tired of this bullying.
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They won't care. Plenty of companies are big enough that a few of the lower downs would just be fired to save face. B&M have the issue that their CEO and COO are right in the middle of this. We still don't know if there will be any legal repercussions for them. Either way, their business name is buggered. I do feel for all the franchisees that are going to suffer for this.

Littlenose said:
I never realised before but the Mormons is just like a gentleman's club looking after their own. Hopefully there will be serious implications for the law enforcers who have been breaking the laws themselves.
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Its a cult. Its a very powerful and wealthy cult. I doubt anything will happen to the police involved because they will be rotten to the top. I can't imagine that they want people who have been made an example of saying "well, perhaps you would like to have a look at X, Y and Z while were talking about this particular issue".
 
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