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Stopped eating meat a year ago, realisations since

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Combat squirrel, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. ANDREW GREEN

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    I'd like vegetarians to consider the following points and arguments:

    1. Some people not eating meat will not reduce meat production or improve animal conditions. The same amount of meat will be produced but the market value will be slightly lower and poorer people will be able to afford more meat when they otherwise may not have done.

    2. Financially supporting freedom foods by buying and eating it alongside lobbying for greater animal welfare within farming would improve animal welfare within the farming industry. Currently people who care about the rights of farm animals don't eat them. If they only ate meat that came from freedom foods ranges that would do more to help farm animals.

    Thoughts?

    @Tony Edwards @Combat squirrel
     
  2. bloodiedathame

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    A bit alarmist that link. In each of those 7, there is contradiction, admission that the nurtient is non-essential or made in the body.

    1: Vitamin B12 is an essential nutrient found in almost no plant foods. A few plant foods naturally contain trace amounts of bioactive vitamin B12
    2: Creatine is not essential in your diet
    3: Carnosine is only found in animal-based foods. However, it’s non-essential
    4: vitamin D doesn’t have to come from your diet
    5: DHA can also be made from the omega-3 fatty acid ALA, which is found in high amounts in flaxseeds, chia seeds, and walnuts. It’s also present in microalgae, which are a suitable dietary source for vegetarians and vegans.
    6: iron deficiency is easy to avoid on a well-planned vegan diet that contains plenty of non-heme iron
    7: It’s not essential in the diet, as your body produces small amounts. Still, dietary taurine may play a role in maintaining your body’s taurine levels.
     
  3. bloodiedathame

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    Supply and demand. If demand drops, so will supply. Yes, that may not improve conditions, but it would reduce meat production. What exists may be sold off cheaper, but that's ultimately detrimental to farmers.
     
  4. Shocky-FM

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    Can't imagine not eating meat, while I eat veg it's usually consumed first with the intention of leaving the good stuff until last, the meat.

    I never eat salad, it's gross, If I had to survive on just fruit and veg I would have it in smoothie form so I can get it over with as quickly as possible. :D
     
  5. ANDREW GREEN

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    Supply/Demand and price. In theory it just pushes the price down and not the actual supply. The world population of vegetarians is apparently 11%, is this really enough to reduce production? Or does the price drop by 11% and everything is still sold as meat eaters buy more meat as a result?

    I watched a documentary about Samoa and they get high fat meat sold there that is shipped from the West where it isn't considered fit for pet consumption. That shows everything they produce is sold and some people not consuming it will simply mean more is sold to poorer people at a lower price.
     
  6. ttaskmaster

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    NVM
     
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  7. Pudney

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    I think you're slightly misinterpreting Combat squirrel's argument, it isn't that meat eating isn't natural, it's that daily (and presumably high levels of) meat eating is unnatural.
     
  8. krooton

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    And so are the vast majority of things we do in our daily lives :D
     
  9. Tony Edwards

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    I cant be responsable for other peoples actions. I personaly dont/cant eat animals any more due to them being sentient beings. If others dont give a **** then that is them.

    When I was a meat eater I always looked out for organic field grazed or free range as I tried to pretend it was a better life for the animals, but ultimately that doesnt mean as much as it should and still at the end of the day I was eating an animal when there was no real need for it only a personal want. So I was number 2 on your list.

    I always considered meat eating a bit like porn/masturbation. Fine in the moment but after a bit grubby. Meat eating to me now would be like watching rape scenes for my porn gratitude. I know a bit harsh but there you have it.

    Ill leave this story from just yesterday as a story that would have made me feel depressed and ashamed about eating meat if I still was and it is stories like this that make me so adamant that in an era that we dont need to kill for any reason that I wont partake in it.

    If others choose to that is up to them.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...etailers-chicken-welfare-change-a9055571.html
    And this one that tells the story of the selfishness of man when it comes to animal welfare and meat production.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2307-featherless-chicken-creates-a-flap/
    So yeah number 2 would be nice but I cant see it being the norm anytime soon with the greed, spite and selfishness of humans.
     
  10. ttaskmaster

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    NVM
     
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  11. Pudney

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    Again, I think that’s an incorrect interpretation. Eating meat daily is unnatural, not necessarily bad.

    Anyway, this isn’t my argument, just trying to clarify what I think Combat squirrel was saying.
     
  12. Tony Edwards

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    Also the implication in this thread seems to be that no meat eaters ever get vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
     
  13. ttaskmaster

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    NVM
     
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  14. GIBURROWS

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    Courgettes & Peppers I hope.
     
  15. ttaskmaster

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    NVM
     
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  16. krooton

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    Not all of us, lamb is minging :p
     
  17. GIBURROWS

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    SAID NO ONE EVER!
     
  18. krooton

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    Well, I guess I technically typed it...
     
  19. GIBURROWS

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    Yes but you sir are a no one. Just joshing
     
  20. ttaskmaster

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    NVM
     
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