** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Seems like Arsenal are going in a bit of a strange direction, you can understand selling players off for a ton of cash abroad but to your nearest rivals doesn't seem overly sensible.

It does seem like Arsenal with City are beginning to resemble Spurs with Utd, apart from the regular Champs League qualification of course :p

Makes you wonder if Arsenal are playing a longer game of really banking on the UEFA financial regulations being strictly enforced:

1. Load up Citeh with ludicrously high-waged cast-offs
2. Citeh booted out of Champs League under financial regs.
3. Easy continued qualification for Champs League due to 2.
4. Profit?
 
drunkenmaster said:
Stop browsing the forums on your phone then?
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Wenger is rubbish. End post.
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Rich_L said:
Seems like Arsenal are going in a bit of a strange direction, you can understand selling players off for a ton of cash abroad but to your nearest rivals doesn't seem overly sensible.

It does seem like Arsenal with City are beginning to resemble Spurs with Utd, apart from the regular Champs League qualification of course :p

Makes you wonder if Arsenal are playing a longer game of really banking on the UEFA financial regulations being strictly enforced:

1. Load up Citeh with ludicrously high-waged cast-offs
2. Citeh booted out of Champs League under financial regs.
3. Easy continued qualification for Champs League due to 2.
4. Profit?
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Thats what I said, hurt City off the field and on the field. If Nasri is on 180k a week.

I have no issue with selling any player to a rival, I have a problem with why we're selling though, a big one.

Selling Denilson because he's not good enough, great, fantastic, selling because you don't recognise he's not good enough and he's begging to leave, awful.

Sell someone to City to make a bundle and stop them buying someone better, because you've decided that guy just isn't good enough for your team, no problem. Selling Nasri or Clichy to City because they've lost patience with Arsenal and are forcing a move, not at all good.

Arsenal need to be dumping these players because Arsenal deem the players not good enough for winning a title, selling them, and buying better players.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Thats what I said, hurt City off the field and on the field. If Nasri is on 180k a week.

I have no issue with selling any player to a rival, I have a problem with why we're selling though, a big one.

Selling Denilson because he's not good enough, great, fantastic, selling because you don't recognise he's not good enough and he's begging to leave, awful.

Sell someone to City to make a bundle and stop them buying someone better, because you've decided that guy just isn't good enough for your team, no problem. Selling Nasri or Clichy to City because they've lost patience with Arsenal and are forcing a move, not at all good.

Arsenal need to be dumping these players because Arsenal deem the players not good enough for winning a title, selling them, and buying better players.
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It is easy to say get rid of this and that person but we have to replace them with someone. Who would you replace them with?

Personally I think Nasri is good and will get better. Better than what we have as well. Who is going to go into his position, Eboue? Someone who is happy to sit on the bench for 5 years.

Our attacking players aren't our problem it is our defence or lack of it. Nasri will leave if he wants to because he is nearly out of contract and if he does go to City then fair enough. Hope we get as much as possible for him.

No news of Eboue, Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby leaving. All players that have under performed. You might not rate Nasri but he is much better than those players.
 
bloodline76 said:
It is easy to say get rid of this and that person but we have to replace them with someone. Who would you replace them with?

Personally I think Nasri is good and will get better. Better than what we have as well. Who is going to go into his position, Eboue? Someone who is happy to sit on the bench for 5 years.

Our attacking players aren't our problem it is our defence or lack of it. Nasri will leave if he wants to because he is nearly out of contract and if he does go to City then fair enough. Hope we get as much as possible for him.

No news of Eboue, Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby leaving. All players that have under performed. You might not rate Nasri but he is much better than those players.
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Yes, as I said, selling Nasri with the understanding you realise he's not good enough for a title win would only happen with a manager who would also be willing to buy someone better. Thats my entire point, selling someone not good enough to get someone better, positive, selling someone you think is one of the best 2-3 players on the team, who you offered a massive pay rise to match that of the best players on the team........ then having them leave is not good, thats the situation we're in.

A manager who didn't think Nasri was good enough and intended to sell him would be at the very least trying to buy someone better, thats why I don't care about selling your not best players, clubs NEED to do that on a regular basis to improve.

Diaby and Denilson should have been sold years ago, again this was my entire point, Denilson has finally begged to leave to go somewhere better, Wenger should have kicked him out on his ass and Denilson should have been begging to stay.

Eboue and Bendtner have underperformed? Hard to underperform when you don't get games, likewise when Bendtner has played, he's had, afaik, far higher goals per minute and assist per minute ratios than Nasri in the past 3 seasons. Bendtners ONLY problem is he can't do anything from the bench. Eboue simply doesn't get played anymore, while a hapless Sagna starts whenever he's fit, makes mistakes every single game, and more than a couple every big game.

Both should leave, and again Wenger and Arsenal shouldn't have 30-50k players on the bench who he is completely unwilling to play, these guys are begging to leave to get football, so why have we been paying them up till now?
 
StewartMG said:
You just haven't been playing him as an inside forward - minimum 10 goals and 20ish assists after 2 years.
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You only need to look at the previous 2 seasons, last year he started 18 games for Arsenal, got 12 goals and 6 assists, thats up there with the best around, just with half the games. 5 games in the champs league 5 goals, 1 assist.

Season before 26 starts, 14 goals, only 4 assists, again goals to games those are very good numbers.

This while being shifted from upfront, to right wing, to left wing, and upfront usually as a lone striker when he's not a lone striker in the slightest.

If he'd played double the games and(yes big assumption) he'd gotten twice the goals and assists people would be creaming themselves over him.

He'd be first team and no chance of leaving if we'd actually just played the guy, instead we bought Chamakh in on a higher wage, who while good, isn't an improvement at all, ridiculous.

The stats look better when you see time on the pitch in those seasons aswell, its 1234 minutes for 6 goals 6 assists, thats with 13 starts AND 10 sub appearances. Thats less than 14 games of minutes spread across 23 games, same for the season before, he rarely plays close to a full 90, and very few times did he get more than 2 games in a row.

I'm almost certain Bendtner as the deeper striker would be getting 20+ goals and 10+ assists every year in all comps, and we're throwing him out the door while putting an 80k a week striker on the bench, and courting another striker.
 
anyone who joins man city in my view is a money grabbing whore....

always respected Keane, he was offered more money by Jack Walker @ Blackburn but said he would win more with UTD, and he surely did
 
drunkenmaster said:
Eboue and Bendtner have underperformed? Hard to underperform when you don't get games, likewise when Bendtner has played, he's had, afaik, far higher goals per minute and assist per minute ratios than Nasri in the past 3 seasons. Bendtners ONLY problem is he can't do anything from the bench. Eboue simply doesn't get played anymore, while a hapless Sagna starts whenever he's fit, makes mistakes every single game, and more than a couple every big game.
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Yes Bendtner has underperformed. I would hope he has a better goals per minute than a midfielder. Even you can't blame your rose tinted glasses that Bendtner has missed some really straight forward goals when given the chance. I like you have been supporting him for the as far back as I can remember and that is why he has underperformed. He can do better. You can not blame his lack of appearances for his poor performance. If he was that good he wouldn't need many chances to prove it.

With Eboue, we all know you are secretly his agent but anyone with such a lack of ambition as to sit on the bench for the past three or four years and be content to stay shouldn't be at the club. When he comes on he just embarrasses himself with his dives. He has the odd good game but on a whole, yes he underperforms.

Have you ever wondered why they never start as often as some of the others? Maybe they don't make the effort on the training grounds. Believe it or not but Wenger knows much more than you do about his players. You would be both arrogant and ignorant to think otherwise.
 
Moses said:
Citeh would be interested in, as Citeh needed a player for the position that player played in. If that makes sense.
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the point is, there's been a few occassions where city have only shown interest when other cl clubs show an interest. that's the luxury a limitless budget brings.
 
Moses said:
You say that as though they only come onto their radar when that happens, whereas it could easily be the case that they were already in their longer term plans, but the other team forced their hand.
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you could be right. i think it's just me not quite being used to seeing city linked with prospective man utd, chelsea and arsenal signings etc even though they've been owned by the rich man who's name i forget for what ... 3 years now?
 
cm1179 said:
the point is, there's been a few occassions where city have only shown interest when other cl clubs show an interest. that's the luxury a limitless budget brings.
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What you actually mean is there's a few times when the press have reported City have shown interest after other CL clubs have shown an interest. We're mentioned in basically every big name signing now by default. Transfer rumors being a particular area of the press rife with just making **** up. Plus every selling club and players agent wants us to be interested because it could drive up the price, even if he never comes to us (See Sanchez for perfect example).

Top players don't exactly grow on trees either. As mentioned above, someone like Neymar comes up for sale, there are very few clubs who he can realistically go to so very few clubs will be immediately linked to his possible signature. One of them is now City. It doesn't mean we've noticed Chelsea and Real Madrid are interested and we've never actually heard of him, so we'll get a piece of the action. It also doesn't mean we're even interested at all. But if you're a journalist writing a big money transfer story and need some clubs to link to it, Chelsea and City are usually pretty good places to start. It's not like you need to prove it :p
 
I'm sure it has nothing to do with clubs touting City's 'interest' around to drive up the price of their player either, nothing at all.
 
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