That's one way to look at it I guess. We do need cover for Carrick because the only other Midfielder we have who's willing to go back and actually defend is Anderson and he can't stay fit. I guess Jones could do it if you needed to (plus he's far more mobile than Strootman.)
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That's one way to look at it I guess. We do need cover for Carrick because the only other Midfielder we have who's willing to go back and actually defend is Anderson and he can't stay fit. I guess Jones could do it if you needed to (plus he's far more mobile than Strootman.)
I think Arsenal fans would be more than happy if we were to spend big money / wages on big players. I just think most don't reckon Fellaini is worth that much, similar with Rooney for 250 - 300k per week. I'd rather we got Higuain plus another ~130k / week player than just Rooney.
Carrick only bosses the midfield when he is allowed to by the opposition. Any game when the opposition midfield close us down quickly and play at a high tempo, we look very average in the centre regardless of who we have.
I am just hoping we get Thiago in the hope it changes the way we play. Poor Kagawa got caught on the ball so many times last season because no one was there for a pass. If we get him I will be pretty confident about next season. Welbeck won't enjoy the same level of freedom under Moyes hopefully and perhaps we can get Rooney playing up front again properly.
Shaktars managers quoted as saying that they're talking with Dortmund but his agent is talking to another club.
Somebody on a forum claimed to have seen him at Paddington train station this morning and later somebody else claimed he was checking into a London hotel and backed it up with a pic. Who knows what's going on.
My point is that Rooney's wages cover themselves with his marketability. Fellaini not so much (don't think even those wigs bring in enough 
) but you know Fellaini isn't a risk either. He's used the Premier League and Arsenal certainly lack a bit of legitimate physicality (not just ankle biting) so maybe £100k is a safer bet than £80-£90k on someone from abroad.
If you cleared a lot of the dead wood from your squad then you wouldn't have an issue paying wages. It's always awful looking at a squad and seeing how much of a financial drain very, very average players are and how they ultimately take away from potential signings.
) but you know Fellaini isn't a risk either. He's used the Premier League and Arsenal certainly lack a bit of legitimate physicality (not just ankle biting) so maybe £100k is a safer bet than £80-£90k on someone from abroad. If you cleared a lot of the dead wood from your squad then you wouldn't have an issue paying wages. It's always awful looking at a squad and seeing how much of a financial drain very, very average players are and how they ultimately take away from potential signings.
It's more what Carrick does in intercepting the ball than tackling, and even when closed he seldom loses the ball because Rafael and Ferdinand ultimately made themselves available to take it if needed. Where we struggled in midfield was the lack of support (or quality) from our wide players last year and the fact when Cleverley plays he switches off when 10 yards outside of our box, allowing runners to simply waltz past. Thankfully we cottoned on after Xmas, dropped him, and looked so much more solid for it.
Not sure anyone was caught out more than Rooney though. Be it his inability to control a simple pass without it spinning up in the air, the fact his short passing is abysmal or that he simply struggles to beat a man at all now, he was caught out consistently. The very negative playing styles of Rooney and Cleverley cost us so much possession or attacking time that it was infuriating.
Kagawa was clearly several steps ahead in thought over several of our other players and barring RVP's ability to take the ball in and flick it beyond someone or Hernandez always looking to run forwards, he was often out of options. At Dortmund he had players of a similar mindset, flicking quick passes around and he lacked that at United. Hopefully Thiago isn't just going to play instead, because we'll be in the same situation, if we have Thiago and Kagawa then I think we could be in for some very exciting times ahead - just don't stick Kagawa out on the left-wing. Both men need to be coming from the centre.
Yes potentially but there is some concern amongst both Man U and Arsenal fans that he's on the decline. I won't be upset if we sign him to be honest it would be quite a coup for Arsenal I'm just not sure he's the right player to buy.
Well I'm hoping with the 6 or so that are gone / going this season all that spare cash will be put to good use. We really did have some truly awful squad members
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Well I'm hoping with the 6 or so that are gone / going this season all that spare cash will be put to good use. We really did have some truly awful squad members
.Urgh, don't get me started on Wayne "midfield dynamo" Rooney. He tried to cut it back across players so many times last year because he was too lazy to put the effort in to get his body in the right position. Lazy lazy boy. He is not a midfielder and I really hope that Moyes realises this.
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Looks like its a London to me, inb4 Spurs stealing our targets again
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I think your all overlooking Anderson. Our only central midfielder who picks up the ball and runs forward with it.
Not at all, I mentioned him above. I'd keep him for what he's done for the club (came back twice, whilst injured, because of a midfield shortage only to re-injure himself, fought through 4 knee injuries in his time.) and yes, he's one of the only (Kagawa too) who will lay the ball off and actually run forward. Also tries to play the ball forward a lot, does it across the ground (one of our only players who plays with the ball on the ground consistently) and has one of the best switches of play to the wings that I've ever seen at United.
His issue is staying fit. When he plays consistently he plays very well.
He runs out of gas after 60 minutes also lol.
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Fellani has been in England for 5 seasons and 1/3 of one season he was in form that would be considered 20+mil value. He played that 1/3 of a season as a striker, he's a thug, and big, and most of his goals were more down to top notch delivery and simply being the big guy targetted. I've said before, if we want more goals from set pieces, buying Baines would yield massively better results than Fellani. He's in no way worth 23mil or 100k a week.
As for Rooney, he's NOT a world wide star. Beckham gets mobbed anywhere he goes, Rooney is seen as a big england star, there aren't any girls swooning over him anywhere in the world, as for shirt sales, they are overblown. If a club will sell 2 mil shirts a season, the top player will get the highest amount, thats just how it is. RVP joined Utd and Rooney's shirt sales dropped through the floor and RVP shirt sales rocketted, thats life, new player, biggest player. People buy shirts, the name is simply a choice, they won't sell significantly less shirts if Rooney left, they would just pick a different name.
There are VERY few players who people buy new shirts for when they move to a different team. People buy Real/Ronaldo shirts even if they aren't Real fans, they buy Henry/Barca shirts when he went there, Beckham/galaxy/ac/real/psg shirts. People buy Rooney because he's at Utd, I think you'll find next to no Utd fans buying Rooney shirts at whichever club he might leave for. If he signed for Barca tomorrow, I would think almost no current Utd fan would buy a Rooney/Barca shirt because they love him so much.
With Wenger's system a striker like Rooney who refuses to stay up top and likes to get involved is not going to work well, same with Fellani, we have better defensive and offensive players, and better strikers and look to be buying better strikers than what we have. Who would Fellani play instead of, Santi/Wilshire?
Can Arsenal afford both, yes, with who has gone and increased tv/sponsorship money. Rooney at 200k or more a week is simply a waste, as is Fellani on 100k, there are better options for less in both cases. Having the money available doesn't mean we can't spend it much better than on those two.
My main issue with Rooney is regardless of the player you think he is now, if you rate him as a 200k a week player, or 50k a week player doesn't matter. He appears to be getting worse, caring less, being less fit, struggling with fitness and attitude and playing worse. No matter how good he is or isn't, if you suspect he'll be half the player in two years, a contract at whatever you think he's worth now, on a longer contract, is a huge risk and just bad business. I think he's looking for a payday while he's still worth something, and more intent on a big wage than anything else, threatening your club twice in a couple years to get more money. I don't think he's worth anything near 200k now and I think he'll be significantly further away from that 2 years from now.
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I think fellaini is a bit of a punt, I don't really care if we pay him £100k a week or not but that's down to the club not the fans. He has a very clumsy style and physically takes control in areas. Maybe more petit style...not seen enough of him. Petit had a killer pass and cross on him though.
As for Rooney over Higuain? No contest, Higuain any day. Rooney was a fantastic player at his peak but he peaked early and has best in decline ever since. Overpaid and highly overrated.
My brother is a utd fan and when they were getting rvp from us he said will be a brilliant sub. I told him that by the end of the season rvp would be your main striker and Rooney will be revealed for the player he is.
We don't want your overrated cast offs. what's he on? £250-300k per week for someone who sits on the bench feeling sorry for themself. No thanks lol
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if we get rid of rooney i want torres
If you believe that, you probably still believe you won the £160m lottery dont ya
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)Anderson is even more dead wood in the Utd squad than Nani , Young and Welbeck. How long do you want to give him before its obvious that apart from 1 or 2 games a season he cant perform at all (and even then its raire to do it for a whole match).
His consistancy is terrible, his fitness is even worse than Rooney (and thats saying something) and he just isnt as good as he looked while playing for Porto (if my memory is working correctly).
Along with Thiago (if Utd are lucky enough to complete the deal of course) Utd desperately need a hard-tackling midfielder, maybe Strootman isnt the perfect fit yet but he shows promise and for the fee mentioned, it isnt that bad a deal (considering it was the original cost of Anderson / Hargreaves). He is also (arguably) an improvement on the current options and worst comes to the worst should have a decent resell value.
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