Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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Maybe but it's a lot truer this summer though. The new TV deal for the Premier League hasn't just made the Premier League richer - this money's been spent all around Europe and pushed prices up. Then you've go the likes of City, Monaco and PSG pumping even more money into the market and Real's mental bid for Bale.

If Arsenal had gone to 25 for Higuian like RM wanted in the 1st few weeks, he would most likely be an Arsenal player (rumor but sounds like Wenger). We refused to go higher on the Willian deal from our initial low offer, we dilled and dallied over the extra few million for Papadopolous that Schalke wanted ((luckily).

All the extra tv money and oil rich clubs have proven is that its more of a sellers market. It's very very rare for just one club to be in for someone (outside the big hitters that are spending 50million plus on one player), buying clubs have to either cough up and pay or they end up with no one of note, like Arsenal have for years, like we have in the past year and other clubs like Man U etc this window.
 
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If Arsenal had gone to 25 for Higuian like RM wanted in the 1st few weeks, he would most likely be an Arsenal player (rumor but sounds like Wenger). We refused to go higher on the Willian deal from our initial low offer, we dilled and dallied over the extra few million for Papadopolous that Schalke wanted ((luckily).

All the extra tv money and oil rich clubs have proven is that its more of a sellers market. It's very very rare for just one club to be in for someone, buying clubs have to either cough up and pay or they end up with no one of note, like Arsenal have for years, like we have in the past year and other clubs like Man U etc this window.

I'm not really sure of the point of this post. If clubs spend ott on a player they're more likely to get him? Yea, I know that. I'm not sure how it relates to my post though.

Prices are inflated more than ever this window and for clubs without a Sheikh or who aren't receiving a ridiculous fee for one of their players, it's a difficult window to buy in. You either pay way beyond what you think a player is worth (which is never advisable to a club like us) or you sit tight and pick off who's left when the market settles down.

I'm not sure why you've used Papa as one of your examples either. We reportedly wanted him for £10-12m and Schalke were demanding £18m. Had we paid up for him and he suffered a set-back with his knee (like he has done) then you'd have been complaining about that too.

That said, our bid for Papadopoulos is exactly the sort of deals we need to be looking at and imo made perfect sense. We were prepared to take a calculated risk for £10-12m in an attempt to sign an £18m player that would have attracted CL clubs had he been fully fit.
Would be a spurs player irrespective of selling bale, same as Paulinho. Willian, Lamela, Capou and some fringe players (that belgian? winger) are the players they had/have targetted with the Bale money.
It's purely coincidental that Spurs, who initially were reported to have failed in their attempts to agree a deal with Valencia, suddenly paid the asking price once Real put £86m on the table for Bale.

They were in for him but until the bid came in for Bale they were seemingly unwilling to pay the asking price.
 
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How can you complain about them getting ridiculously good commercial revenues in? I don't see how, in basically any way, that's a bad thing (unless you have an antiquated image of football being a working man's game where players get paid two Shillings a week, or something).

Its not that we don't want increased revenues its more that it doesn't make the blindest bit of difference to us. The glazers are squeezing every penny out of the club they can and then spending it on world class players.... oh wait no, they are just smacking the cash cow till it bleeds for their own gain.

We haven't consolidated our position in the football world by growing as a footballing power. With roughly half a billion in wasted debt servicing we are rightly slightly miffed that every few months we hear that we have struck up a partnership with x company in Algeria all the while watching our squad stagnate and our rivals strengthen. Who cares about commercial revenues when none of it benefits the fans. Cheaper tickets? Better players? No.
 

You used Wenger in your argument of there being too much money floating round, when he has used that excuse for countless transfer windows now.

Out of the 3 'big' signings we have been linked with only one has actually turned us down, Costa - who got a nice pay increase off the back of our interest. Willian we never had a bid accepted and Mhktaryan (??) I dont think anyone knows the true story (I've seen stories claiming 3rd party ownership issues prevented us from getting him, I've seen stories saying we wouldn't go above our intial rejected bid). Regardles, he just signed for the auropean finalist, no shame in losing out to him if we had a bid accepted, I'm doubtful.

We're apparently back in for Ilori, depsite walking away becuase we didnt want to meet the asking price. if he signs do you think we've low balled again or we will be have paid the price they want? Do you think we would have paid the 18million for Papadopolous if he had no knee issues or do you think we would have gone it at 12million like we did with knee issues?

We know the owners admire Arsenal business model and they want to ape it, but it seems they are also adopting their transfer strategy too.

The point is, if we want a player then pay the rate, dicking around over a few mill here and there makes us look like chumps. I'd rather we go in balls deep and make mistakes than not at all. Before you bring up Downing & Carroll & Adam - the problem wasn't the amount they signed for, it was the fact we were looking at them in the 1st place.
 
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Pardew meeting with Cabaye's representatives today; SSN now reporting that he expects Kebab to be back in the squad for the Fulham match. Tres bon, as they say in Newcastle.

Shola Ameobi linked with West Ham?

Is this just twitter rumors because Allerdyce was at the game last night?

I did wonder why he was there.
 
You used Wenger in your argument of there being too much money floating round, when he has used that excuse for countless transfer windows now.

Out of the 3 'big' signings we have been linked with only one has actually turned us down, Costa - who got a nice pay increase off the back of our interest. Willian we never had a bid accepted and Mhktaryan (??) I dont think anyone knows the true story (I've seen stories claiming 3rd party ownership issues prevented us from getting him, I've seen stories saying we wouldn't go above our intial rejected bid). Regardles, he just signed for the auropean finalist, no shame in losing out to him if we had a bid accepted, I'm doubtful.

I can't recall Wenger every saying that before but I'll take your word for it. As I've said, it's very true this summer though. We were willing to pay the asking price for Costa and Mhktaryan but for differing reasons we missed out. Both times it was out of the clubs control - I have no doubt that we'd have paid more wages than both Atletico and Dortmund.
We're apparently back in for Ilori, depsite walking away becuase we didnt want to meet the asking price. if he signs do you think we've low balled again or we will be have paid the price they want? Do you think we would have paid the 18million for Papadopolous if he had no knee issues or do you think we would have gone it at 12million like we did with knee issues?

This isn't football manager nor are we buying players with monopoly money. We don't have a bottomless pit of money to throw around and if a player doesn't work out just dump him and throw cash at a replacement.

Who knows why we're back in for Ilori. Maybe we always were willing to eventually pay ~£6m for him but hoped we could pressure Lisbon into selling him on the cheap. It's a negotiation, you don't make you best offer straight away. Maybe on the other hand we've been pressured into paying slightly more than we wanted because of the injuries to Coates and now Toure (who'll no doubt be out for a couple of months).

Had Papadopoulos not had any injuries then we'd have probably had very little chance in signing him at all. Who knows whether we'd have been willing to pay £18m but if the club were willing to gamble £12m on him when there's question marks over his knee, I'd imagine we would have.
We know the owners admire Arsenal business model and they want to ape it, but it seems they are also adopting their transfer strategy too.

The point is, if we want a player then pay the rate, dicking around over a few mill here and there makes us look like chumps. I'd rather we go in balls deep and make mistakes than not at all. Before you bring up Downing & Carroll & Adam - the problem wasn't the amount they signed for, it was the fact we were looking at them in the 1st place.

Show me the similarities in transfer strategy. They want to run the club in a self sustaining way which is a good thing (although they have put £70m odd into the club) but since they've taken over we've continually had money available to spend and spent it.

And how can you say we should pay what it takes to sign a player if we want them and then say not to bring up Downing and Carroll? It doesn't matter who you're looking at, whether it's Downing or Willian, every player has a value and we're not in a position to spend any significant amount beyond that value.

We went after 3 big money transfers and with 2 of them we missed out through no fault or lack of effort/willingness from the club. Even the Willian deal, I don't know what you expect. If you've got the extra £10-15m, that we'd have needed (over the course of a 4 year deal) to have made the deal happen, then give it to the club.

It's a sad reality that without CL football and without either a Sheikh or a massive windfall from the sale of Suarez, we're going to struggle to sign big name players when other clubs (that have CL and/or $$) come in for them. We need to wait for the right opportunities and spend wisely, like we did when we signed Suarez, Coutinho & Sturridge and like we tried with both Papa and Willian this summer.
 
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Pardew meeting with Cabaye's representatives today; SSN now reporting that he expects Kebab to be back in the squad for the Fulham match. Tres bon, as they say in Newcastle.

Pardew expects Cabaye to turn up. Whether he does or not is another story. However Dechamps has kicked him out of the international team, which I can only salute him for.

Whatever is going on behind the scenes it needs to be sorted. Either sell him, or he plays on Saturday and puts in a world class performance.

I don't blame Cabaye for wanting to leave, the club is a shambles and ran by idiots. Arsenal is a well ran club, with cup competitions every season. The only problem is their fans who expect the world...
 
It's purely coincidental that Spurs, who initially were reported to have failed in their attempts to agree a deal with Valencia, suddenly paid the asking price once Real put £86m on the table for Bale.

They were in for him but until the bid came in for Bale they were seemingly unwilling to pay the asking price.

we broke our transfer record on paulinho before the whole bale saga and were in negotiations with soldado before.

the injection of cash has come from lewis, low spending previous windows, tv money but more importantly backing AVB

i know you're hell bent on not believing lewis may not have given us an interest free loan and i know you're hell bent on believing bale was sold the day the window opened. levy rebuffed rm until they came in with a world record offer. it would be nuts to not accept it, especially as he wanted to go and wouldn't extend his contract with us. even AVB saw this after levy said he wouldn't be sold.

credit to levy, he's got signings in after the bale saga, before he's sold and we've not been bent over a barrel by leaving it to late.

bale hasn't completed his move, if he doesn't, we're still in control of our finances. we haven't gone crazy on wages and we have sold the dead wood.
 
To the Liverpool fans whinging, do you want a repeat of the Window of 2010? For those of you with short memories here a little sample of the signings we made that summer:

J Cole
C Poulsen
P Konchesky
M Jovanovic
D Wilson
B Jones

Look at that list and be grateful we're still around. We've made some good signings so far.

(I think we'll get one permanent and one loan move)

Indeed, we shouldn't spend money anymore in case that happens!

Bit different being willing to waste money on obviously dog ****e signings (although I thought Milan might've been a handy nutter, the rest were obviously bad (okay danny wilson could've turned alright eventually)), than on pretty big talents. Anyways, hopefully we can get europa league football and spend some dolla next year instead of profit
 
levy rebuffed rm until they came in with a world record offer

Which is exactly what I said. It was widely reported that Baldini returned from Valencia after failing to agree a deal for Soldado that suddenly changed the minute Real put £86m on the table for Bale. Coincidence? I doubt it.

Spurs could have easily spent £40m odd gross with the sale of a few fringe players (like they've done) + a bit of cash from the club, like most clubs. Once the net spend figure was going over £50m it was fairly obvious that Bale was off though.

I suppose it's possible that Lewis loaned the club the money as a bridge loan until the sale of Bale is/was rubber stamped, allowing you to bring in the replacements before he goes. I find it extremely hard to believe that he gave £50m to spend on top of what the club already could/would have spent. As I said, unless something drastic happens in the next few days you'd have spent little to nothing let alone the £50m + tv money you claimed.
 
I'm unsure where you get 70million from, net spend is closer to 30 prior to this summer and it will be even lower as we haven't spent any money yet this window, despite Tom Werners comments of going big in the summer window back in January, add the BT money and we would appear to have a hole burning in our pocket, if the transfer committee had identified Willian as who they wanted after missing out on 'others' either through being frugal or other reasons then they should have gone the additional 5million on him (not really sure where you've got 10-15 from as personal terms had already been agreed by all accounts).

Arsenal stick to their valuation and thus miss out on targets continually, Liverpool appear to be sticking to their valuation of players and missing out on targets. If thats not a correlation I dont know what is :)


Why would we have had very little chance in signing Popadoplous if he had no knee issues by the way? I haven't seen any other teams actively looking at signing a CB apart from PSG, and he doesn't fit the profile they are spending money on. Re Illori I would say we are back in for him as we are down to one trusted CB with Kolo's injury personally.

Downing et all where signed by a manger who had been out of the game for over a decade, he should never have been allowed to spend without a failsafe imo.
 
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