Supernatural/Paranormal - Do you beleive

[Loki]

Whether it's Ghosts or Aliens visiting us from distant planets I believe People have always believed in the paranormal. Things go bump in the night, there are unexplained happenings - what is it? What do you believe and what experiences have you had (if any)

 

[Loki]

Im convinced our house is haunted with some of the things that go on it. Footsteps in the middle of the night. Our four year old son having his hair cut when he was in bed. Mrs Loki was a complete non believer and was as sceptic as sceptic can be until she saw a figure at the bottom of the stairs disappear when the dog walked through it. Loads of other occurnces that I cannot put off as well its possibly this that or the other

 

[Loki]

I've always wanted to go on one of those ghost hunts like most haunted.

Anyone ever done one ?

Doing one in two weeks from work at a place called Salmesbury Hall near preston. I took some pictures there last time I went and there was one that turned out quite unexpected. All distorted except for a figure of a woman in the top right hand corner.

Im realy open minded to it all really. I think the argument of sicence hasnt proved it so it must be wronghas its limitations. Science grows and our understanding of our environement is constantly changing. Whats not to say that it will be proved in the future. Thats not to say we must dismiss our understanding of today of course

 

[Loki]

Nope - had a friend called Casper only a year or 2 ago

This one didn't have a name

What did the Poltergeist do K ?

 

[Loki]

Some random weirdness from our house.

The Footsteps Was lay in the bath one Sunday morning. It was just after Alexander(Son) had started walking. I then heard the shuffling of feet at the top of the stairs which went into a full blown jogging on the spot. They were light enough to think that it was an infant. So I darted out of the bath thinking Alexander had managed to get up the stairs on his own. When I left the bathroom no one was there. I went down stairs and asked my wife why was Alexander running about on the stairs and she said he couldn't have been as he has been asleep in his buggy for nearly an hour.

The Toys
On a few occasions when we have been away some of the musical toys we have start by on their own. On the first occasion we had been camping for the weekend. So after a long drive home I darted in the house to the bathroom. I then heard one of Alexanders musical toys being wound up slowly and then it started playing. I went downstairs thinking nothing more of it. I asked Sarah did she set his thing off and she said she had been unpacking the car and had not been upstairs.

Guests stopping over

Last summer my sister in law stopped over with her boyfriend and duing the middle of the night we heard his bedroom door slam. Not thinking anything of it we left it till morning. Soon as we were all up he said that he had his bedroom door open all night and he got the smell of vomit in the room and all over his pillow. When he sat up he could see a small girl in the door way so he slammed it shut

The Previous owners
When we first moved into our house I needed to go and get my hair cut so I went to the local barbers. The woman said not seen you in here before etc etc and where we were living. So we got chatting and I told her our address. Then she just dropped her scissors and when white. She then went onto tell us that she lrented our house some 12 months before we bought it. I never told her of what we had experienced but she went onto tell us about seeing a small girl running around the landing between the bathroom and bedrooms on quite a few occasions. Things being moved around the house. Her children being pushed in their bedroom and when they turned around no one was there. Bearing in mind that was the first time we met and her details about the house were completey un-prompted from me.

In the end things started to get worse in the house and we found out that a young girl had hung herself near where our house was at the turn of the century. The site used to be an Orchard. We spoke with the local Vicar and asked her if she could come and bless the house. She came round and did some prayers and blessings if things got worse then we were to ring her and she would get someone else involved

We beleive that the house is haunted by this little girl and it has also been haunted by my wifes Nanna who died some years ago but her ashes were only buried some weeks ago by some ridiculous family fued. Luckily things have got better but there are still occasions when things do happen out of the normal

 

[Loki]

I so want photos, and recordings...have you spoken out to whatever it is. Asking if its still there?

We tried a tape recording a few times for EVP but nothing came back.

As for speaking to what or whoever it is then yes. My wife was in bed and she said she felt the room go cold but she wasnt scared. She got a strange familiar smell in the room like her Nannas old house. She asked if it was her and if it was to make her presence known. She then went onto say that she felt somebody squeeze her hand lightly for a second or two.

On another occasion we had the family round for dinner and we were making light of the situation. Then someone said in a bit of a daft way "Is there anybody there" One of the shelves in the Cabinet collapsed and all the glasses smashed. Guess they didnt have a sense of humour then

 

[Loki]

Definately her Nanna. I must admit I am not religious in anyway but I beleive that since her ashes have been buried she can now rest.

 

[Loki]

And that just about sums it up.
The brain plays tricks all the time and its up to the individual to realise whats real and what isn't.
There isn't the slightest bit of proof of any supernatural phenomenon so that can only tell you one thing - the brain plays tricks.
Try this experiment.
Look up into the sky and when somebody asks what you're looking at tell them you can see a black thing hovering way up in the sky.
Eventually some will see it and some won't.

Playing tricks is one thing which I agree with. We are all open to suggestion one way or another. However playing the same trick with different occupants in the same house at different times who have no previous connection is something more than coincidence or mind tricks in my book.

Sometimes its a matter of faith in saying science has its limitations on what it can measure or predict.

 

[Loki]

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Can you explain what goes on in our house though and to its previous occupants who know nothing of my family but we share a common phenomenon ?

Maybe its one of those things whereby you have to beleive in stuff for it to happen. The counter argument being that if you are open to suggestion the chances are you will see, hear or beleive stuff anyway more than someone who doesn't believe

Upto now Science has not proved or disproved such phenomenon. So until it Disproves all of it conclusively I will remain frimly open minded

 

[Loki]

Question to all: Those of you have seen 'ghosts', did you believe in ghosts before you saw one? I think it would be interesting to see how many people who believe in ghosts have seen them, and how many skeptics have seen them (I'm guessing not many, if any at all). I know this is playing right into the hands of the 'tricks of the mind' arguement, but it may well be that *if* ghosts or similar do exist, only those who are prepared to see them can see them. This would fit with little children being able to see things like that, since children tend to have more of an open mind towards things like this Also, since younger children have better hearing (scientific fact), perhaps they can see things adults can't see? Thin, I admit, but I'm trying to play devils advocate (to both sides of the arguement).

Well I am a believer. My wife was a firm disbeliever. "Don't beleive in that mumbo jumbo" until a lot of things started happening to her and our son directly.

 

[Loki]

What is it that's happened to your wife? In your large post on that previous page, you never actually mentioned anything directly happening to your wife, and if she has now seen things, could that have been after you explained these occurances to her, and she started to believe, and that's when things began to happen to her?

For her it started around three and a half years ago. Odd things being moved around the house. Keys going missing and turning up days later. She thought it was me just playing jokes on here. One night we were due to go on Holiday then next day and she was watching the TV and she could see something moving out of the corner of her eye. When she looked one of the ornaments was moving across the fire place very slowly. It took about a minute to get half way across. As soon as she stood up it stopped.

On another occasion we were both going to bed and I had to send a few email s off. So she was upstairs for about five minutes and came to the top of the stairs and said "what are you doing are you coming up or what" She thought it was me at the bottom of the stairs locking the door until the shadow moved and disapeared when the dog walked through it. I then came out of the front room "What did you say ?" as I was in the other room but I heard her say something.

Another occasion is when her uncle, Nannas Brother was diagnosed with having a heart condition and angina(sp?) as soon as that had happened a lot of the usual stuff like footsteps and things being moved started to happen again. She was in bed one night and she got the familliar smell of her Nannas home before she died and she just said if your here make yourself known. She said she felt someone hold her hand for a second or two, squeezed it then it went (see post #62)

 

[Loki]

Oh yeah, didn't realise that was you that posted the last one there.



Did all these things happen after things began to happen to you? Just wondering if that influenced her beliefs on ghosts, and she only experienced these things because she already knew things had happened to you (back to the 'trick-of-the-mind' arguement again).

Some of the things happened to her after they happened to me. I willbe hinest I have never tried to put my point of view on her. She believes what she wants to. So I never really brought up what happened to me

 

[Loki]

I had an open mind for four decades but not one shred of evidence - zero, zilch, nada and there never has been and never will be.
I had a massive paperback collection on such stuff and the bigger books are still in my bookshelf.
I had videos on the stuff and really wanted to believe but theres nothing.
Its all in the mind.

Once again if you've got proof go to this guy to collect your million -
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Youve still not answered my question dmpoole as to why my family shares the same experiences of the previous occupants when we have no connection with them, never met them before yet what happens to us happend to them

As for the James Randi thing you keep posting hes nothing more than a parlour magician by trade and certainly not a scientist of any credibility. There is as much chance of him disproving or proving Aliens or Supernatural phenomenon as there is Henry VIII walking through your front room.

The evidence has to be presented before he will even entertain the idea of it being put into the $1,000,000 challenge. Then it has to be mutually agreeable. Have a look round the internet. There are quite a few claims of people having evidence and he has declined their offer to enter the challenge. How convenient.

I might also add that ot of the $1,000,000 Randi has only ever contributed $1,000 to it. Out of all the cranks out there he appears to be up there with the best of them

 

[Loki]

@dmpoole

I respect your opnion on it so I won't probe much more.


Just wondered though you said you saw ghosts when you were 17 etc. What is it that convinced you that it was just mind tricks though if there is no conclusive evidence either way

 

[Loki]

Damn this thread puts the hebegeebees into me!

Loki! Your all ****** up mate! Sack it living in your house!

tbh other than one occasion when Alexander had a piece of hishair cut we have never felt threatend at all.

 

[Loki]

Personally I would be happy to drive to your house just to have a hands on experience, if there is an experience to be had.

Your welcome as is anybody. All I would say what happens is pretty random. Some weeks its like having a lodger. Then we can go months without anything happening.

 

[Loki]

Friking camp hair dressing ghost! Does it have an mx5?

lmao

 

[Loki]

Manchester

 

[Loki]

And don't forget that if you actually record it you can send the tape to James Randi and he will give you one million dollars for it.

He's a fake anda crock. Much worse than any charlatan like Derek Accorah

 

[Loki]

I think you're thinking of the wrong person.
James Randi has spent a lifetime proving the supernatural and paranormal is a crock of poo.
No one has been able to claim his one million dollars by proving they have supernatural or paranormal abilities.
All we sceptics want is one piece of evidence - just one undeniable piece but we all know there is nothing.

No I'm thinking of the same James Randi that you are .

I remember when I first posted this thread and did some research on him when you posted him up last time. A magician by trade and certainly not a Scientist of any note. Put as much stock in Randi and his parlour tricks as you want. If his methods of proving/disproving the weak minded who believe in the supernatural are so accurate then why has he yet been able to use the scientific model to disprove or debunk the other showmen such as Uri Geller. I suspect it's because it's a crock.

As much as Geller is all smoke and Mirrors then imho Randi is no better. Surely in the pursuit of science and the interest of mankind then he should be able to debunk all this talk of the supernatural and paranormal quite easily. Given that he has waited a number of years for someone to pick up his prize I very much doubt I will see in my lifetime him actually doing any proper scientific study to prove or disprove anything of quality or substance