Supplements the debate/discussion thread

LiE said:
I must have missed something, who is saying they can't workout without supplements? I thought people were discussing supplementing their training with an extra boost.
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No one has to say it, but it's the responsible thing to do, to state what I have stated. We have a lot of young impressionable people on here remember, and it's an ever decreasing circle when people feel they have to use things to achieve results, dependability is something a lot of people fall foul of.

Personally I get very little from that sort of supplementation, and feel that if I'm unmotivated, taking a booster won't help - but digging deep and getting on with it actually achieves more.
 
Delvis said:
Debatable, especially if you've had a crummy day at work :p Unless of course you train first thing
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I do on average 13hr days, yet I can still go to the gym and shift volume that would make Ronnie go "yeah buddy". Bear in mind we're not pros here, and if you struggle with motivation, a supplement won't help, it'll make you buzz, sure, but to get the motivation to actually hit the gym takes more than supplements you have to WANT to go. It's so easy to toss in the towel and say "I'll go tomorrow".

As I said, it does help, but if you can't do it without, then you need to address that issue.
 
Delvis said:
Indeed. I was referring to a general tired sense :)

You do 13hr days, but that's what you're used to (presumably). If you happen to have a more than standard stressful day for whatever reason, it can feel like a chore to go for want of a better word. As I said though, generally when I've been feeling like that, or whenever I get my migraines and it makes my eyes feel like they're lolling about in their sockets, generally going down the gym and just getting on with it helps matters and I soon feel good for it.
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If you have a migrane you won't be able to move let alone open your eyes. Those are exceptional circumstances.

Yes, I'm used to it, but I put the effort in. I sleep 5-6hrs a night, and unfortunately work long days. However, I just dig deep and get on with it. I'm knackered sometimes, and have an unsatisfactory workout, but I've had a day of nutrition behind me, and my own bloody mindedness to just MTFU and get on with it.

If you can get to THAT stage without a boost, then sure, by all means take something to give you a little more - no issues with that whatsoever.

What I am saying, which people seem to be avoiding, is that you have to try and uncover the issue that makes you feel as though you need to take a supplement to feel you're going to have a good workout, or feel as though it's necessary. If you don't have any, and you are just after a bit of "oomph" as part of your dietary supplementation then I have no issue at all.

All I'm saying is using it as a substitute or to overcome a mental block is to be avoided.

It's like people coming home after work and gagging for an alcoholic drink - it's a symptom of a bigger underlying problem.
 
King Damager said:
Meh, it fits round my lifestyle. It's what works best for me from a 'I can be bothered to do this' perspective.

I'm not getting out of bed early just so I can drink a shake :p

kd
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You can train fasted, or just take some BCAAs and a banana with a shot of coffee ;)

Still don't understand how you can train early though :o

LiE said:
I have a really good workout without pre-workout supps, but I have even better workouts with it :)
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I'm sure someone at your level does - and I guess in the morning I can see how it would make a difference, and I'd probably need something to give me the motivation in the morning. I guess I don't get anything from it - just like rollercoasters - I find them fairly uninteresting or exciting.
 
LiE said:
Agreed, if you _need_ to take it then it's a problem. If you're taking it to build on an already solid workout/diet then no harm.
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That's what I was driving at. :) However, we're talking at a fairly advanced level of training here - with no offence to most people here, it doesn't apply to them.

King Damager said:
It really depends on your definition of early.

My alarm goes off at 8, I get out of bed at half 8, make a shake, drink shake, get dressed, cycle to gym, in gym or pool at about 9... Most people wouldn't say that was early....

Once I've got a job in sept it might be most interesting mind...

kd
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I'm at work already at around 8! bloody students :p

I'd have to hit the gym at 4am to get into the office on time - never going to happen :p
 
King Damager said:
I have no idea where all your hours go :)

Anyway, that said, today's fun discussion for this evening?

Warm Shakes:
Thoughts on how it effects flavour?
Thoughts on whether it effects the breakdown of the protein/creatine/dextrose/whatever you take :p

Did this one yesterday (by accident as it happens - I ran the tap and didn't leave it to cool down after someone had just used the hot), anyway, hot chocolate and peanut butter shake before bed was surprisingly nice :)

kd
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Finish work at around 6 or so - 1.75hrs in the gym (+driving to the local gym if there was one near work), so 730-8pm. 1.5hrs to get home....

I'd rather get home, then it's only a 5min drive from home and my other half can start dinner (I normally cook on non training days) and then can eat by around 830-9. :)
 
I have to take 3 trains to get to my head office - takes just as long, and I prefer being in my car - and I get paid my mileage! :p

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying, if I can do all that ****, cook clean, train, work, etc... then there's no excuse for anyone ;)
 
^^ Been using those for years.

Question - who here supplements with CoQ10?

Reason I mention, is that with vit D - high doses can lead to hypertension - coq10 may help mitigate that risk.

Other than the fact that all the research seems to praise coq10 to be a decent pro-health compound.
 
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Yum!

Whey Protein 80 (concentrate) 35%
Pure Fine Oats 7%
Dextrose 7%
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)4%
Taurine 7%
L-Leucine 8%
L-Glutamine 6%
iBCAA 6%
HMB 6%
Essential Amino Acids 8%
Creapure® 6%

90g serving

Nutritional Details (per serving)
Energy KJ 581.35
Energy Kcal 179.66
Protein 25.16g
Carbohydrates 12.19g
of which are sugars 7.24g
Fat 3.01g
of which are saturates 2.13g
Fibre 0.27g
Cholesterol 65.14mg
Sodium 60.3mg
Vitamin B10.13g
Calcium 0mg


Need to tweak the ratios a little and see how it goes serving/kg etc... this site has potential, and will cost less in the grand scheme of things.
 
It's just one I made from the "make your own". Looks good to me. I just need to tweak it a little from my own bodyweight, and goals etc... Maybe improve the amino acid choices a little - but it's looking awesome for custom stuff - great idea for people who have a clue.

Feel free to sign up and use WR210 as a referral code ;)
 
Yup - they're the guys that didn't think they were too big for the world. Far more sensible approach. Businesses don't all run from 1 person - the current director and senior manager in charge of strategy at MP won't be influencing (hopefully) this new company.
 
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