Supplements the debate/discussion thread

'Wes · 27 Sep 2012 at 08:12

mrthingyx said:
If everybody did that, the supplement business would die.

True i guess.

Steedie said:
I definitely notice a difference from ZMA

I usually wake up a couple of times throughout the night, since taking them I sleep like a log all the way through the night. Get some crazy dreams too, as in seriously crazy

I guess it's the case a person(s) body reacts differently to different things.

TruffleShuffle said:
Just wanted to point out that the guy didnt buy them, he got a free sample. OK he could have just typed ZMA into google to find out what they did but hey-ho.

Missed that bit.

Skillmister · 27 Sep 2012 at 08:48

I get ****ing crazy dreams all the time as it is. I need to try zma and see if they go full retard

Delvis · 27 Sep 2012 at 09:05

Slice of cheese before bed normally gives you crazy enough dreams

Deception · 27 Sep 2012 at 11:47

On the note of ZMA, MP also do their own version of it which is a lot cheaper too, for anyone wanting to try it out.

I think I will be ordering my usual Whey, Creatine, Glutamine and BCAA today too.

'Wes · 27 Sep 2012 at 12:22

Ordering my lot tomorrow considering it's payday.

mrthingyx · 27 Sep 2012 at 12:50

Just started on my beta-alanine course, and currently enjoying some parasthesia.

Good times.

Hedge · 27 Sep 2012 at 12:55

Anyone tried Mutant Mass?

Im on a bulking mission and I have no problems with huge calorie shakes if they help me on days where I struggle to get fed properly in this crappy military camp.

http://www.dolphinfitness.co.uk/en/pvl-mutant-mass-6.8kg/4334/?o=chocolate

Value wise I think its actually quite decent. Even half the ridiculously huge serving size still provides me with 500 calories and 26g of protein.

uniQ · 27 Sep 2012 at 13:09

These were best price matches I could find:
Ironscience: Creatine 1kg £6.83 (£11.29rrp)
pro-10.com: Isolate 1kg £13.76 (£20.99)
optimusprotein.co.uk Isolate 4kg £46.13 (£62.99)
bulksuplementsdirect: Super Omega 3 250's £13.30 (£30)

Begbie · 27 Sep 2012 at 13:41

Hedge said:
Anyone tried Mutant Mass?

Im on a bulking mission and I have no problems with huge calorie shakes if they help me on days where I struggle to get fed properly in this crappy military camp.

http://www.dolphinfitness.co.uk/en/pvl-mutant-mass-6.8kg/4334/?o=chocolate

Value wise I think its actually quite decent. Even half the ridiculously huge serving size still provides me with 500 calories and 26g of protein.

That's a hell of a big shake 260g!

Would buying some oats and some whey not do the same thing and work out a LOT cheaper?

Oats is a tenner and 5kgs of whey can be got for what £45. Throw in some peanut butter for extra calories!

Skillmister · 27 Sep 2012 at 13:58

I cba to do the maths right now but i've never seen a mass gainer that even comes close in price to buying stuff separately. They always look like good value until you realise there are only 7 servings in a 10kg tub

Hedge · 27 Sep 2012 at 15:03

Begbie said:
That's a hell of a big shake 260g!

Would buying some oats and some whey not do the same thing and work out a LOT cheaper?

Oats is a tenner and 5kgs of whey can be got for what £45. Throw in some peanut butter for extra calories!

Thats true, but regarding the convenience its reasonable value I think. I certainly would be halfing the servings. Which would mean 52 500 calorie shakes for £43... thats actually quite decent I reckon.

I might treat myself tomorrow and see how it works.

Peanut butter isnt too cheap either really.

Indigo · 27 Sep 2012 at 23:52

Hedge said:
Thats true, but regarding the convenience its reasonable value I think. I certainly would be halfing the servings. Which would mean 52 500 calorie shakes for £43... thats actually quite decent I reckon.

I might treat myself tomorrow and see how it works.

Peanut butter isnt too cheap either really.

Peanut butter is £1 a jar if you shop around. Granted it's along the lines of Sunpat but it's not expensive. Or get 1KG from somewhere like MyProtein or BulkPowders for £4 if you want something slightly better.

Begbie · 28 Sep 2012 at 08:56

Hedge said:
Thats true, but regarding the convenience its reasonable value I think. I certainly would be halfing the servings. Which would mean 52 500 calorie shakes for £43... thats actually quite decent I reckon.

I might treat myself tomorrow and see how it works.

Peanut butter isnt too cheap either really.

It is if you get it from bulk supps or MP.

But to be fair 52 shakes for £43 isn't too bad.

Freefaller · 28 Sep 2012 at 08:59

Almond butter is dead cheap - you can buy a kilo of the stuff for under £10! That's 10s of thousands of calories for under £10!

Freefaller · 28 Sep 2012 at 09:02

Chris1712 said:
FYI, if your not dreaming much (or remembering them) your not getting real sleep.

That's not quite right to be fair.

Delvis · 28 Sep 2012 at 09:07

I figured not everyone remembers their dreams? I do sometimes and other times I don't

Freefaller · 28 Sep 2012 at 09:12

Most of your "good" sleep happens in your REM cycles. You lucid dreams are less important.

Begbie · 28 Sep 2012 at 09:27

Freefaller said:
Most of your "good" sleep happens in your REM cycles. You lucid dreams are less important.

REM cycles?

Lucid dreams kick ass though.

Freefaller · 28 Sep 2012 at 09:32

Rapid Eye Movement - it's a phase of sleep. Your sleep happens in cycles. Deep light deep light deep light etc... REM initiates in deep sleep - that's when most of the CNS recovery and repair functions of sleep occur. The vivid dreams are in a light phase of sleep after a bout of REM sleep.

Delvis · 28 Sep 2012 at 09:50

Hmm....So to maximise gains I should be in a constant state of REM sleep?

I shall test all the pills in the world