Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories: 16
Protein: 3g
Total Carbohydrates: 1g
Vitamin A: 9900 IU
(as acetate & 66% as beta-carotene)
Vitamin C: 1g
(as ascorbic acid)
Vitamin D: 680 IU
(as ergocalciferol)
Vitamin E: 300 IU
(as d-a-tocopheryl acetate)
Thiamin: 76mg
(as thiamin HCl)
Riboflavin: 76mg
Niacin: 82mg
(as niacinamide)
Vitamin B6: 72mg
(as pyridoxine HCl)
Folic Acid: 400mcg
Vitamin B12: 6mcg
(as cyanocobalamin)
Biotin: 300mcg
Pantothenic Acid: 76mg
(as calcium pantothenate)
Calcium: 2g
(as citrate, carbonate)
Phosphorus: 228mg
(as calcium phosphate)
Iodine: 150mcg
(from kelp)
Magnesium: 133mg
(as oxide)
Zinc: 30mg
(as oxide)
Selenium: 50mcg
(as selenite)
Copper: 600mcg
(as sulfate)
Manganese: 11mg
(as sulfate)
Chromium: 6mcg
(as picolinate)
Potassium: 200mg
(as sulfate)

Amino Acid Blend:
Lysine: 300mg
(from lactalbumin)
Methionine: 500mg
(from lactalbumin)
Leucine: 100mg
(from lactalbumin)
Valine: 760mg
(from lactalbumin)
Threonine: 48mg
(from lactalbumin)
Glutamic Acid: 700mg
(from lactalbumin)
Phenylalanine: 560mg
(from lactalbumin)
Arginine: 2g
(as L-arginine)

Performance Optimizers:
Siberian Ginseng (root): 2g
Oriental Ginseng (root): 250mg
Smilax officinalis (root): 500mg
Protogen A: 200mg
(as thioctic acid)
Inosine: 500mg
(as hypoxanthine riboside)
Pyridoxine a-Ketoglutarate (PAK): 200mg
Carnitine: 25mg
(as L-carnitine)
Chromium Picolinate: 50mcg
Coenzyme A: 20mg
Coenzyme B12: 10mg
Phosphatidylcholine: 200mg
Para-Aminobenzoic Acid (PABA): 400mg
Colostrum (bovine): 25mg
Argentine Liver (bovine): 3.9g
Shark Cartilage: 1g
Choline Complex: 1.2g
Bioflavonoids (citrus): 1g

Essential Fatty Acid Complex:
Linoleic Acid: 200mg
Oleic Acid: 100mg

Digestive Enzymes:
Betaine HCl: 200mg
Pepsin: 64mg
Papain: 64mg
Ox Bile (bovine): 120mg
Pancreatin: 700mg
Mycozyme: 64mg

Other Ingredients:

Maltodextrin, calcium sulfate, choline citrate, magnesium stearate, stearic acid, parsley, goldenseal, don quai, burdock, alfalfa, water cress, rice bran, cellulose, and rose hips

Like I said, best out there by a mile.
 
And like I said, I'm presuming it's because it has 'extras' in it over cheaper brands? I don't know the ingredient list on all of them :p
 
Check your average multi vitamin, it will have about 1/8th of the minerals and ingredients in there. It will also have "cheaper" variants of each ingredient that may not absorb as well
 
Most complete from a spectrul perspective? Looks tough to beat. In terms of delivered value, however, a lot of that stuff is either unproven or downright odd (ox bile? Shark cartilege?).

Balanced against cost, I'd argue it is not the best value, but that's not what Steedie was saying. :-)
 
Looked at it but not interested in paying that much for a multi, though, I have no doubt about its potency. I ordered two pots of Alpha Men and happen to find myself in Holland and Barrett this afternoon where I picked up another multi for half price. It'll do.
 
Trouble is with Holland and Barretts multi is it's utter garbage. Don't get me wrong, I used to use it andused it for like 2 years myself, but the difference in that and the Animal Pak or more expensive ones is night and day.

If you read about the differences between the forms of each ingredient, you'll notice H&B uses the cheapest one nearly every time, so your body doesn't utilise all of it and you end up peeing the majority out
 
I'm currently giving the PHD Pharma Mass and Strength protein a go, the idea is to have those all important calories (along with having a decent enough diet) to help with my half marathon & weight training and so that I hopefully don't lose any weight and can at least maintain my weight as well, or continue to gain weight.

I can make it a 800-900kcal shake by adding 350ml of milk and some porridge oats. Which is good, as I burned nearly 900kcal when I ran 10km in 1 hour on Saturday.

Thanks,

David
 
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