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How do you work that one out?!

It's 1 pack a day, so 44 days, so about 68p a day

It says to take up to 2 a day, but not many people do
 
Ah yeah, my apologies, I forgot that for some reason they list a serving size as 2 on websites, yet on the instructions on the tin it says to take 1 only, and a second 8 hours later if you're doing constant intense activity
 
Most effective in what context?

Most effective for fuelling muscles whilst managing your insulin response? Something like maltodextrin or a highly complex'd carbohydrate (unrefined oats).

Most effective for quick, dirty energy? Glucose.

Most effective for resistance to fatigue (that is legal)? Caffeine in the immediate term, creatine in the medium* term, beta-alaine in the long** term.

*Requires daily dosing for at least 2/3 weeks for a measurable difference;
**Requires daily dosing for around 4-8 weeks for a measurable difference.
 
A single strong coffee? That's great.

Try six of them. 300mg is what you're after, and a strong coffee only has around 50mg in it. ;)

If you don't handle caffeine well, then just make sure you have a great session. :cool:

You may also want to up your carb consumption both before (24hrs before) and after your session, too.
 
Begbie said:
Jack3d was, but its banned now.
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Its not banned in the states yet, so you can still buy it from the likes of Nutraplanet.

I bought 4 tubs in preparation for when it does eventually get banned in the states too. About £110 all in including delivery and import fees (letter from FedEx just arrived).

So about £27.50 per tub.

A bit disappointing when you used to be able to get these for <£25 in the UK, but they're only going to get more expensive, if you can find them. and i'll accept the £2.50 'hit' to the wallet for the assurance of having some in the cupboard for the next year.
 
There isn't one though. The banned substance is the most effective active ingredient in Pre-WO's like Jack3d. So if you want the added benefit of the pre-WO, then it's time to order abroad and pay the premium.
 
Indeed. But I'd rather use something else, maybe it's because I'm a tight git and poor :p

Having never used a dedicated pre-workout, I can't justify it. It's banned at the end of the day (for whatever stupid reason)
 
It's pretty pap. Doesn't give you anywhere near as much of a buzz, if any. I've got a sample sat on my desk now actually, didn't make any affect first time I took it.

Edit: Christian, do you drink much caffeine? Could be why it doesn't do much for me, as I sink at least 4 cups a day :)
 
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