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Bicep - have you thought about following a more alkaline diet? There's a lot to be said about being more alkaline for general health. Certainly with your issues it would make perfect sense. It does mean sacrificing a lot of red meat - but overall would help you I think.
No replacement for proper food.
http://www.thefooddoctor.com/The-Food-Doctor-Bread-Afresh_bread/
Those are the pittas I eat - over 7g of protein per pitta and low GI. Not bad for bread really. Fill those bad boys up with some chicken salad or eggs and you've got 30+ g of protein in 1 pitta! 
Those are the pittas I eat - over 7g of protein per pitta and low GI.
Not bad for bread really. Fill those bad boys up with some chicken salad or eggs and you've got 30+ g of protein in 1 pitta!
Supermarkets have them and other health food stores.
Just be aware it contains yohimbine which some people react less well to.
Water retention can be attributable to hormonal levels - but you know more about your condition than we do.
Water retention can be attributable to hormonal levels - but you know more about your condition than we do.
Water retention could be attributable to heart or kidney problems, typically owing to a reduced ability of the heart or kidneys to work properly, and can cause swelling in parts of the body - however I doubt this is the case with you. Could potentially be weak circulation of blood in capillaries and veins - again doubtful in your case.
More likely for you is owing to hormone levels in your body and medicines that you're taking. Increased levels of certain hormones can lead to water retention. Insulin, cortisol, and the old chestnut oestrogen and progesterone. The effect of water retention is owing to the reaction/interaction that these hormones have on the sodium levels in your body as well as on the hormones which control how your kidneys work. Certain prescribed medicines such as the the pill or other hormonal or steroid based medication can directly affect these hormones - even certain prescription pain killers!
It does affect your whole body but the intestine/belly area has a propensity for it - not sure why, possibly owing to a higher amount of blood flow/fat storage in that area. Women can also get water retention in the breasts, which causes breast tenderness and swelling - another thing to look out for is gyno.
Another main cause of it, is eating too much salty food.
Cellulite (basically a form of fat complexes with retained water). Sometimes cellulite/fat holds so much water that it can swell and be painful to the touch.
Metabolic wastes and toxins which the body cannot easily release tend to be stored in fats around the body including cellulite. Potential cause of the water retention in cellulite and fat are either owing to irritation and swelling owing to these toxins, or results from the body’s attempt to dilute them - which hammers the amount of water absorbed.
Low calorie diets can also cause water retention, owing to not having enough protein in your blood to draw excess water out of your tissues. This type of water retention can cause generalised puffiness. This is very general of course.
Histamine also causes water retention leading to general bloated and midriff swelling. It widens the joining area between cells which line capillaries causing them to leak protein and water into the tissue space, ostensibly the area surrounding the cells of tissues such as flesh, organs and guts etc... If the protein cannot be removed from your tissue spacs, it will stay there, attracting more water! Viscous circle!
Poor digestion and courses of antibiotics can cause changes in your gutss which can lead to large releases of histamine being produced - often localised in those areas.
To me it sounds as though you have a hormonal imbalance - which is causing insulin to spike harder and higher and forcing more fat and water storage. I don't know your medical ins and outs, and really it's not for me to be analysing this - it's vital you clarify with your doctor what needs to be done. Explain to him your issues.
More likely for you is owing to hormone levels in your body and medicines that you're taking. Increased levels of certain hormones can lead to water retention. Insulin, cortisol, and the old chestnut oestrogen and progesterone. The effect of water retention is owing to the reaction/interaction that these hormones have on the sodium levels in your body as well as on the hormones which control how your kidneys work. Certain prescribed medicines such as the the pill or other hormonal or steroid based medication can directly affect these hormones - even certain prescription pain killers!
It does affect your whole body but the intestine/belly area has a propensity for it - not sure why, possibly owing to a higher amount of blood flow/fat storage in that area. Women can also get water retention in the breasts, which causes breast tenderness and swelling - another thing to look out for is gyno.
Another main cause of it, is eating too much salty food.
Cellulite (basically a form of fat complexes with retained water). Sometimes cellulite/fat holds so much water that it can swell and be painful to the touch.
Metabolic wastes and toxins which the body cannot easily release tend to be stored in fats around the body including cellulite. Potential cause of the water retention in cellulite and fat are either owing to irritation and swelling owing to these toxins, or results from the body’s attempt to dilute them - which hammers the amount of water absorbed.
Low calorie diets can also cause water retention, owing to not having enough protein in your blood to draw excess water out of your tissues. This type of water retention can cause generalised puffiness. This is very general of course.
Histamine also causes water retention leading to general bloated and midriff swelling. It widens the joining area between cells which line capillaries causing them to leak protein and water into the tissue space, ostensibly the area surrounding the cells of tissues such as flesh, organs and guts etc... If the protein cannot be removed from your tissue spacs, it will stay there, attracting more water! Viscous circle!
Poor digestion and courses of antibiotics can cause changes in your gutss which can lead to large releases of histamine being produced - often localised in those areas.
To me it sounds as though you have a hormonal imbalance - which is causing insulin to spike harder and higher and forcing more fat and water storage. I don't know your medical ins and outs, and really it's not for me to be analysing this - it's vital you clarify with your doctor what needs to be done. Explain to him your issues.
EEAs taste foul, but so does OAKG... 2 worst supps out there! For taste, not for what they do, actually they are 2 of the best supps out there (excluding all the obvious things like fish oils etc...).
Cinnamon is an amazing spice that should be used whenever you can. It’s a natural sweetener and so can be used in place of sugar, e.g. in porridge, in coffee etc etc.
•Moderates blood sugar levels, which is imperative in trying to reduce body fat.
◦Cinnamon contains phytochemicals called ‘chalcone polymers’ that increase glucose metabolism more than 20 times the normal rate.
◦These ‘chalcone polymers’ are also powerful antioxidants.
•Appears to mimic insulin thus increasing glucose uptake by cells.
•Cinnamon’s water-soluble active ingredient is called ‘cinnulin’.
◦Cinnulin rebuilds the insulin receptor sites thus making you more insulin sensitive.
•Recent research has shown that cinnamon reduced triglycerides, total cholesterol and LDL (bad) cholesterol in people with Type II Diabetes.
◦People with both Type I & II Diabetes would benefit from cinnamon’s effects.
•Cinnamon also contains anthocyanins, which improve capillary function.
•It can help combat candida through the use of it’s eugenol & geraniol phytochemicals; this likely due to antimicrobacterial properties of the aforementioned compounds.
•Cinnamon also contains anti-inflammatory compounds that may be helpful in reducing pain and stiffness of muscles, joints, and menstrual discomfort.
•Improves digestive function by acting as a carminative (a “gas reliever”).
•Cinnamon contains catechins that help relieve nausea.
•Cinnamon also appears to improve appetite.
The “Cinnamon Stick Fat Loss Trick”
1. Depending on the size, take 2-3 cinnamon sticks (or some powder) and break them into a large glass jug.
2. Fill the jug with boiling water, cover and leave to steep.
3. Once cooled (warm is ok) strain the liquid, discarding the solids, and store in the fridge.
4. Drink a small glass (~250ml) with each meal; up to four per day. After one to three weeks reduce intake to just one cup per day.
This is a very cheap way to help lose excess fat as it very quickly improves your body’s insulin receptor sites.
•Moderates blood sugar levels, which is imperative in trying to reduce body fat.
◦Cinnamon contains phytochemicals called ‘chalcone polymers’ that increase glucose metabolism more than 20 times the normal rate.
◦These ‘chalcone polymers’ are also powerful antioxidants.
•Appears to mimic insulin thus increasing glucose uptake by cells.
•Cinnamon’s water-soluble active ingredient is called ‘cinnulin’.
◦Cinnulin rebuilds the insulin receptor sites thus making you more insulin sensitive.
•Recent research has shown that cinnamon reduced triglycerides, total cholesterol and LDL (bad) cholesterol in people with Type II Diabetes.
◦People with both Type I & II Diabetes would benefit from cinnamon’s effects.
•Cinnamon also contains anthocyanins, which improve capillary function.
•It can help combat candida through the use of it’s eugenol & geraniol phytochemicals; this likely due to antimicrobacterial properties of the aforementioned compounds.
•Cinnamon also contains anti-inflammatory compounds that may be helpful in reducing pain and stiffness of muscles, joints, and menstrual discomfort.
•Improves digestive function by acting as a carminative (a “gas reliever”).
•Cinnamon contains catechins that help relieve nausea.
•Cinnamon also appears to improve appetite.
The “Cinnamon Stick Fat Loss Trick”
1. Depending on the size, take 2-3 cinnamon sticks (or some powder) and break them into a large glass jug.
2. Fill the jug with boiling water, cover and leave to steep.
3. Once cooled (warm is ok) strain the liquid, discarding the solids, and store in the fridge.
4. Drink a small glass (~250ml) with each meal; up to four per day. After one to three weeks reduce intake to just one cup per day.
This is a very cheap way to help lose excess fat as it very quickly improves your body’s insulin receptor sites.
A lot of people take supps without realising how they interact with their bodies - no wonder the supplement industry is making a mint at the moment!
Oh absolutely, you have to experience it yourself and see how it works - a lot of it you have to be careful that you don't fall into the trap of thinking it's working. Some supps do have an effect, that's just fact. However as you say, get the diet right, train right, the supps might add a few little percentages to your goals - so they do do something but are not the be all and end all.
Sounds like my kinda supps icecold!
I've been making my own peanut butter for the last few months. Mix it up using different types of nuts - great fun, tastes amazing too! Use unroasted nuts for maximum nutritional value.
That's my fear. I'm a big fan of herbal remedies and supplements. My favourite being Rhodiola Rosea and cissus quandrangularis. Holy basil's quite decent too.
Then again a lot of supps and herbs aren't great for you (cocaine, tobacco etc...) if you over do them or take them without due care and consideration.
Then again a lot of supps and herbs aren't great for you (cocaine, tobacco etc...) if you over do them or take them without due care and consideration.
Your mind must explode frequently if you are able to draw such sweeping conclusions from such scant evidence. Tomorrow you will probably find out that squatting makes you prolapse
Just in case you're serious, that article is almost completely useless because of it's lack of quatities. Also it isn't at all clear how Katherine Zeratsky isolated her variables, leading me to guess that she hasn't at all creating a fairly useless correlation. If I'm wrong and it's a sound study then fine, but I highly doubt it.
That's not to say that the conclusion isn't correct at some level of protein intake, but without more information it's just scaremongering.
Agreed entirely.
Your last paragraph being the most poignant of all.
I'm not a huge fan of ridiculously high protein diets, however, there's also fact vs scare mongering
Argh, I NEED my cissusBut what makes you think that is included? I tried googling and can't find any full list of affected herbal remedies.
Besides which, wouldn't we still be able to buy from the US/Canada etc.? Much in the same way you can buy ECA stacks from abroad legitimately, i.e. it's banned but not illegal?
There's nothing hinting that it is included, however, this could just be the beginning of a downward slope? Who knows? Still, banning herbal remedies just seems like the start of a very negative aspect to supplementation.
Coffee and banana. If you want to go mad, get some EAA and OAKG as well.... but that's just being lavish
The insulin spike won't be that high, besides whilst your lifting weights you're not too worried about GH. Though bear in mind that insulin is the shuttle for nutrients in your body.
Remember the +ves and -ves of insulin in the body
+ve:
Builds Muscle (stimulates protein synthesis)
Inhibits Catabolism of Protein
Transports Amino Acids into Muscle Cells (v.important!)
Activity of Glycogen Synthase
-ve:
Insulin Inhibits Hormone-Sensitive Lipase
Decreases Utilisation of Fat
Increases Fatty Acid Synthesis
Activates Lipoprotein Lipase
Promotes Glucose Transport into Fat Cells
So if anything having a banana before workout, followed by carb / protein meal afterwards is ideal.
More so if you take EAAs pre/peri/post work out (and throughout the day if you must!).
Ah yes, but GH release isn't as crucial whilst working out - the release is more important at night when you're recovering and sleeping, or when your body is recovering in between workouts. Insulin doesn't actually inhibit GH release per se though it can cause GH resistivity, however, converseley GH can lower insulin resistance too, those hormones can and do work synergistically it's just how you do it. As you say it's more complicated than that - and it would take several pages to try and explain it all - and if I'm honest, it's a bit beyond me!
Quality > taste. I hate all this research for "trendy" and good tasting supplements. Supplements aren't supposed to be better than food, they supplement a diet - and the purer they are, the more benefit you'll get - the more filler/flavourings etc... the less bang for buck you're getting.
If you study all the supplements and understand what makes them work/effective, you'd be far more inclined to take the ones you feel you need and just take them and not do it - just because.
If you study all the supplements and understand what makes them work/effective, you'd be far more inclined to take the ones you feel you need and just take them and not do it - just because.