Tapping and misfiring - ideas?

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I have a lot of tapping coming from my Corsa 1.4 and some misfiring and would like some opinions on it. Please bare in mind I don't know a lot about the innards of cars, only what I've learnt so far, so sorry if I explain things poorly.

I know it's not a good car but it's all I've got, and it's going to be cheaper to fix it than buy a new one.

We changed the head gasket 2 days ago after it failed. It's all cleaned up and back together (new gasket etc of course :p), but there's a lot of tapping when under load - it's not so noticeable when there's not much load though. This is a new thing, it didn't tap before.

There is also an occasional misfire. This was happening before the head gasket went, although it's certainly nowhere near as bad now. When the gasket went I figured that the gasket was probably causing the previous misfires, but obviously not as it's still here to a certain extent - even though the gasket's fixed.

The car has hydraulic tappets and initially they seemed to be holding the valves open causing backfires and low/no compression, but they seemed to 'bed in' after a few hours and now the car's fine.

We've done a compression test since and now there's no problems at all there. There's not really any way we can put the car under load and do a compression test? Revving it doesn't cause misfires, the car needs to be under 'real' load to misfire (e.g. fast acceleration or high-speed driving) rather than simply spinning fast on the driveway.

So... any ideas? We're fitting a new cam belt (it does seem a little loose and I doubt it has been changed for a while, certainly not during the 2.5 years and 30k miles that I've had it :o So maybe a loose cam belt is causing misfires? Or is that not possible / very unlikely) and a new drive belt and alternator - the alternator's been making a tinkering sound for a while but now it sounds more like a powerball.

Oh yeah and timing - we put a strobe in and it looks fine. When it misfires though it seems a tiny bit out, but that might be one of those things that I only "see" because I'm expecting to see it.

Any opinions on what to do, regarding the tapping and misfiring? Maybe it's an electrical fault? The lambda sensor is new also. The misfiring is most important but the tapping would be nice to get rid of too.

Other than this though, when driving sub-30mph the car drives really nice other than being a bit noisy.

Thanks in advance for any ideas :)
 
Does sound like the timing is out - perhaps you put the belt on a tooth out when refitting after the HG change?

Replace the belt, reset the timing and take it from there.
 
Does sound like the timing is out - perhaps you put the belt on a tooth out when refitting after the HG change?

Replace the belt, reset the timing and take it from there.

Is there any way this would cause tapping or is this just regarding the misfire?

We strapped the belt to the cog with a couple of cable ties before taking it off, so that it would only go back on the exact way it came off, but we will have a good look at the timing today when we change the belts and alternator. :)
 
Did you have the tappety noise before replacing the HG if not it is not the shims....if you have good compression it is probably not the valves either.

If the car has no ECU as above a good check of the timing...If it has an ecu one tooth out and it will not start as the ecu sorts the timing via the crankshaft sensor.

What condition are the spark plugs in...the colour ??
 
It didn't have the tapping noise before replacing the HG.

It does have an ECU, so I guess the belt went back on properly if it wouldn't start otherwise.

One of the spark plugs is off colour, the one which went into the cylinder where the head gasket died. I will take it for a high-speed drive this evening to see if it's still misfiring - maybe if the spark plug was dirty due to the gasket dying - the dirt could burn off?

I suppose I should just be less stingy and buy a new spark plug (or four) regardless :p

Still a bit miffed about this tapping then! :(
 
I would not be really taking it for a high speed drive...lol.

Clean the spark plug up or buy a new one just in case its a quick cheap fix..and work from their.

here does the tappy noise appear to come from......

I still would not count the timing as being correct.....re check the timing marks.

The car is not pinking is it ???
 
Do these have hydrolic(oil pressurised) adjusted tappets? If so did you squeeze all the oil out of them before putting it back together?

My experience is a bit out of date but that could be the issue.
 
I would not be really taking it for a high speed drive...lol.

Haha. I took it gentle at first, got it up to 70 for a few stretches... the misfires seem to have gone now. I'm going to guess the spark plug was gunked up and it's all burnt off now, or it could have been the cam belt change - the old belt was really loose so maybe that was causing bad timing? I'll keep driving it and see.

So yeah, for now the misfires aren't an issue. They could come back but I'll be optimistic for now and put that (solved?) problem aside.

@hominid;They are the hydraulic self adjusting tappets, and no I didn't squeeze the oil out :o What difference has that made in your experience? That'll mean taking the cylinder head off again, which means buying a new head gasket... damn that Haynes manual, why didn't it tell me to squeeze them (it probably did actually... haha)

@Dogbreath; it's a new gasket there too (they had literally disintegrated and were more like thin rust layers than gaskets). We bought a gasket set, so that's the inlet, outlet, head and the camshaft cover gaskets. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? (If I have, please elaborate!)

@moangroan; what's "pinking" ? *googles* no I'm fairly sure it's not pinking, like I say it feels fine now... it's just the tapping noise at the moment. It might be idling a little low but I think that's just when I have my headlights on at idle and it can only just cope.
 
How badly did the HG fail? As in, what shape is the head?

Is the new gasket the correct one and fitted correctly, ie, not blocking/partly blocking an oil tract for the hydraulic tappets.
 
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