Teen Banned From US For Barracking Obama

[semi-pro waster]

Humans and animals may well be territorial but it doesn't mean its good or right, claiming ownership of a whole land mass and enforcing rules often goes against the freedom of choice of an individual.

Are you a believer in the Freeman concept by any chance?

 

[Dark_Angel]

Are you a believer in the Freeman concept by any chance?

Crowbars for everyone in case of headcrabs?

That wasn't funny was it?

 

[Radiation]

So it's your right to go *ANYWHERE* you want?

So it's my right to enter the US without them wanting me there? Or China? Or anyone can enter the UK, don't worry about borders?

Dude. You're *NOT* making any sense.

If I were a deer, and walked into a lions hunting ground, I don't think it'd work out well for me, do you? Stop going on about animals. That argument holds no water, and neither does anything else you're saying. You're argument isn't even full of holes, it's not even got enough structure to call it that!

Yes its the right of every individual to move freely where possible, i don't understand either how such a simple concept is hard for you and a few others to grasp, its like you're against freedom which is totally bizarre to me, why do you think its good or acceptable for one group to lay claim to a massive area of the world and be either xenophobic, racist or just allowed impose silly rules of travel on an individual because most of them all agree its in their best interests to do so?

Are you a believer in the Freeman concept by any chance?

I've heard of it before but don't know much about it.

 

[RDM]

Tell you what, just for one week I give you the power to tell the world they can move freely to whatever country they want to go to.
Any idea where most of them would come and what an impact that would have on your life plus friends + family?

I made a similar point earlier. It was ignored. The problem is that our current social setup doesn't really allow for such wide ranging freedoms due to limited resources. I don't think Radiation has any real answer to that hence he will ignore such things.

 

[Dark_Angel]

Yes its the right of every individual to move freely where possible, i don't understand either how such a simple concept is hard for you and a few others to grasp, its like you're against freedom which is totally bizarre to me, why do you think its good or acceptable for one group to lay claim to a massive area of the world and be either xenophobic, racist or just allowed impose silly rules of travel on an individual because most of them all agree its in their best interests to do so?

You're *NOT* addressing the reasons. You're just telling us that in a pretty disney land that it's great!

What about terrorists, drains on the resources, HUGE mass immigration, cultural problems, security concerns and so on. I mean seriously - it's not about "Waah, I don't want this guy from China here" it's about "I don't want 500 million chinese here tomorrow because there's no room!".

Why would you choose to live in a 3rd world country if you knew you could go to say New Zealand tomorrow, stay as long as you wanted, all you needed was a plane ticket? You wouldn't! That's just one of my points.

 

[Radiation]

I made a similar point earlier. It was ignored. The problem is that our current social setup doesn't really allow for such wide ranging freedoms due to limited resources. I don't think Radiation has any real answer to that hence he will ignore such things.

Didn't realize i ignored anything, my answer to that is so what?

You're *NOT* addressing the reasons. You're just telling us that in a pretty disney land that it's great!

What about terrorists, drains on the resources, HUGE mass immigration, cultural problems, security concerns and so on. I mean seriously - it's not about "Waah, I don't want this guy from China here" it's about "I don't want 500 million chinese here tomorrow because there's no room!".

Why would you choose to live in a 3rd world country if you knew you could go to say New Zealand tomorrow, stay as long as you wanted, all you needed was a plane ticket? You wouldn't! That's just one of my points.

What will be will be.

 

[.Simon]

Threatening the president is serious business, no matter how you do it.

There was a similiar case with Clinton, some kids threatened him by email and the F.B.I. turned up at their houses.

 

[Dark_Angel]

Didn't realize i ignored anything, my answer to that is so what?



What will be will be.

Fail.

Actually. I don't think we should have laws. At all. That way if someone comes over to your house, robs you, beats you to a bloody pulp for the lolz - then it's all good. Afterall, your houses is theirs to share, and what will be is okay and dandy?

Just sigh.

 

[Basher]

No loss being banned from the USA tbh

Really? Unless of course you want to work in a decent role in an American company.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I was referring to the disastrous effect the, argubly evil, US superpower is having on the world e.g. killing civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, causing worldwide poverty due to greed, pollution etc...

And that has what to do with wanting to visit there and enjoy such a fabulous country?

 

[D.Roberts]

Nice they could intercept the email but couldn't intercept two huge plains heading out side of there flight path.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Crowbars for everyone in case of headcrabs?

That wasn't funny was it?

I think it's politest to just skirt over this.

Yes its the right of every individual to move freely where possible, i don't understand either how such a simple concept is hard for you and a few others to grasp, its like you're against freedom which is totally bizarre to me, why do you think its good or acceptable for one group to lay claim to a massive area of the world and be either xenophobic, racist or just allowed impose silly rules of travel on an individual because most of them all agree its in their best interests to do so?

Ok, so you believe it's a right to move freely where possible? Except here it's not possible because America said no - there should be no conflict with the imagined right.

I understand what you're saying but if you had your way there would be a system of law that runs counter to all jurisdictions on Earth presently - the sovereignty of a country is one of a very few fundamental rights granted to nations, part of that sovereignty is the right to choose who they let into their country (except in certain circumstances where they have partially derogated that right). It would also be unworkable given the present starting point and the concept of property amongst a few other practical concerns.

While it's a lovely idea that we should all be able to move freely around the World and nothing should constrain us it's simply not realistic in the least.

I've heard of it before but don't know much about it.

You've got remarkably similar views about why laws don't apply and quite possibly similar views regarding borders although I know less about what the Freeman adherents think on that subject. There's only so much of their website and the concept I can read before my brain protectively shuts itself down.

Nice they could intercept the email but couldn't intercept two huge plains heading out side of there flight path.

You don't think the heightened interest and ability to intercept the email might be a consequence of the aforementioned planes and building incident?

 

[Vonhelmet]

Nice they could intercept the email but couldn't intercept two huge plains heading out side of there flight path.

Good point. The two things are of course entirely comparable.

One wonders how they could possibly have failed to stop the planes, given how much slower they travel than a near instantaneous e-mail.

Clearly the secret service are a bunch of wasters.