you wish.. everyone's on hayfever.
machines IMO just FEEL wrong/forced etc.. i prefer free weights
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you wish.. everyone's on hayfever.
machines IMO just FEEL wrong/forced etc.. i prefer free weights
never used a smith machine so can't tell how different it is to free bar..
What you said was more of a dig at me.
Using the word 'ever' was probably what got your back up, but I can't understand why anyone would need to use the smith if the barbell is an option.
Don't get any big ideas... they aren't going to happen.
And the point here is that flat bench is still not generally a good idea in a smith. Practically speaking, this is a similar conversation that I had with Steedie a couple of months ago with me accusing him of being a phaggot, and him accusing me of being a bigger phaggot.
Machines have their place at the end of the day because of how they do their thing in isolation. Are they the only answer to the question? No. Would I personally use a machine (smith or whatever) instead of a bar? No.
But that's personal choice at the end of the day: I'm not a bodybuilder. Or even a powerlifter.
Much like your post was a dig at me
This is possibly one of the most incorrect posts I've seen in a long time. How is doing it on a smith suddenly making a compound movement an isolation movement?!
This is possibly one of the most incorrect posts I've seen in a long time. How is doing it on a smith suddenly making a compound movement an isolation movement?!
A group of guys who are very passionate about something, of course it will lead to debate/argument/discussion/raised eyebrows/peacocking/peen waving. Nothing new and will continue until the end of lifting time (which is forever).
Go back to not lifting.
Doesn't make sense.
Well arent we being pedantic today..
Its much more of an isolation then doing it with a barbell and no restriction on the movement path of the exercise. You take out a lot of the stabliser muscles that support the movement.
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All we need now is opeths bench tips and the full checklist will be complete.
Much like your post was a dig at me
This is possibly one of the most incorrect posts I've seen in a long time. How is doing it on a smith suddenly making a compound movement an isolation movement?!
It's a machine... they're only good for isolation exercises amirite?
He worded it badly, but it kind of does
Doing negatives on a smith machine would be far easier and probably more beneficial than doing it on a normal barbell bench, as you're able to concentrate 100% on bringing the bar down as slowly as possible, rather than worrying about the movement or what you're going to have to do if you need to bail low down
It's not though, yes stabilisers come out of the lift, but you're still using front delts, lats, triceps and chest. Which means it is far from an isolation exercise.
That's like saying doing deadlifts with straps makes it an isolation exercise, because you're taking your forearms out of the equation
No-one is saying you should use one over the other, but the ridiculous dismissal of one based on the whole hate on Smiths was what got my back up
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Better for hamstring development.
Because???? your removing the requirement of stabliser muscles, and isolating the movement.......
Spot on contradiction of your reply to me just a few posts above...
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Isn’t it the case that progressive tension under load is what builds muscle.
If you take one person on the flat barbell bench and one person on the chest press machine, but the person on the machine over time is adding weight to the movement then it is the machine user growing as opposed to the free weight user.
If you take one person on the flat barbell bench and one person on the chest press machine, but the person on the machine over time is adding weight to the movement then it is the machine user growing as opposed to the free weight user.
DA...................
In your theory the person on the flat barbell bench isn't upping the weight but the guy on the machine is?
Of course the machine user is going to grow muscle in comparison.
That's like saying if person A doesn't lift, but person B does. Will person B get bigger??