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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

You cannot be serious. This 5000 series has been a disaster from the lies on their performance, the lies in pricing, the lack of stock, melting connections, missing ROPS, driver issues, software issues etc.

It would take some going for anyone to match mess let alone be worse.

Yes blackwell is a dumpster fire but nvidia drivers are overall better.

There's been driver problems a common problem is black screens.

Already fixed.
 
The drivers that have been bricking people's GPU's have nothing to do with the hardware issues?
First I heard, then again there is always some issues when a new generation comes out, AMD has had its own share of problematics launches.
 
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First I heard, then again there is always some issues when a new generation comes out, AMD has had its own share of problematics launches.
What problems amd had in the past on launch are irrelevant today. Amd have and continue to get hammered for those mistakes.

At best it's misleading to suggest that Amd drivers are a problem today when the facts don't back that up. I don't understand how people can belong to a forum which means they are an enthusiast and still peddle outdated nonsense.

I'm not a fanboy of nvidia or amd, I just want a quality product at a reasonable price. My loyalty is my pocket.
 
What problems amd had in the past on launch are irrelevant today. Amd have and continue to get hammered for those mistakes.

At best it's misleading to suggest that Amd drivers are a problem today when the facts don't back that up. I don't understand how people can belong to a forum which means they are an enthusiast and still peddle outdated nonsense.

I'm not a fanboy of nvidia or amd, I just want a quality product at a reasonable price. My loyalty is my pocket.

I'm running the 8700g apu and every driver since version 24.8.1 has major hardware acceleration issues, so yes I experience AMDs issues and slow to none existent support first hand.
 
Inflation plays a role in that too

Inflation can go do one. Don't want to derail with economics, but we all already know the average person is worse off due to rising living costs and stagnant wages.
No hard feelings mate, but don't help defend the terrible GPU pricing. Other PC parts have had far less eggregious price increases. I'm on the side of the consumer, the only justification for price is a good product (that offers better value than what we had before). We just want reasonable price to reflect the products offered, hopefully something most can afford.
We shouldn't be paying more for less, which is what Nvidia have managed to do with 5000 series right now.

I guess i don't get why "RIP AMD" my GPU is an RX 7000 series with DisplayPort 2.1, i don't get "RIP AMD" is the 9000 series not keeping the DisplayPort 2.1 standard?

I'm late to the discussion, but its all about display bandwidth & monitor support. DP2.1 UHBR13.5 needs DSC to run these new 4k240hz monitors. DP2.1 UHBR20 can output 4k240hz that natively. This is without HDR (10bit colour), where even lower refresh rates are supported with 10bit colour, due to increased data bandwidth requirements.

Actually there's a great discussion on the monitor section you guys might find useful.

Now the problem is 2 fold. Firstly, it's another point of comparison where when comparing to Nvidia, AMD would be behind. We know the 5000 series is rubbish, I'd never buy one. But for AMD to gain marketshare and approach Nvidia on equal footing, they need every win they can get. We already know they are behind on raytracing and upscaling software, this just adds to pushing the average consumer to Nvidia. I.e. now AMD has even more pressure to offer better performance for lower price to make up for it.

The other side: monitor support. Forget games, this is just to run the screen at the resolution/refresh it was designed for, without loss of colour info through chroma subsampling (look it up) or DSC. Monitors are progressing well rn, a lot of folks are upgrading and even if upgrading in future, the right GPU would be required. You guys are absolutely right that UHBR13.5 on these new GPUs is fine for folks running 4k144hz or 1440p240hz. But what happens when folks want to upgrade or buy one of these fancy new 4k240hz screens (that support UHBR20)? They'll think twice. Having UHBR20 today, means monitor support isn't an issue.

But overall it does come down to value proposition, UHBR20 is something folks may be willing to pay a bit more for or tolerate higher pricing for. Without it, AMD will need to get the pricing right more than ever now. And we're all expecting AMD to balls this up somehow anyway, given their track record.
 
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