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santa said:
That's impossible if your definition of desktop is the current mobo+dimm status quo, short of putting HBM onto the chip exclusively for the APU. Memory bandwidth is the heavy limiter, it's why strix can't use sodimm's as lpddr5x blows sodimm bandwidth out of the water and the iGPU would otherwise be severely bottlenecked. Wendell from L1T thinks the future is mobo's based on mobile CPU's, basically miniPC's in an mITX/mATX formfactor consolidating mobo+cpu(+memory if not using CAMM2 or similar) into one unit that you can optionally add a pcie dGPU to. In that world relatively powerful APU's are possible without expensive hbm, I wouldn't be against it either.
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They did that. There are ai max based mini pcs coming 2nd half of the year with an integrated gpu that can match a laptop 4070
 
Upping the price every gen just increases the time between user upgrades. I would normally upgrade every gen, but now I skip at least one gen and it looks like I will skip this one and maybe the next, unless Intel has something good at an ok price next gen.
 
StarShock said:
They did that. There are ai max based mini pcs coming 2nd half of the year with an integrated gpu that can match a laptop 4070
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Ryzen AI Max+ 395.

Its already out, and it is awesome.

Edit: this BTW is a Tablet.

 
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In some respects it dosnt matter. There's so many points along the chain for the landed price to consumers to end up being sky high.

I do think a included top tier game would be a good point of differentiation, where they can't directly compete with Nvidia on a technological basis.
 
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Jono8 said:
Unfortunately I can see AMD doing what Gibbo has alluded to and launching them high to take advantage of the impatient/FOMO driven people and then dropping the price later this year when GPUs stop shifting so well.
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The very same strategy they’ve been doing for the last 6 years which has presided on them going from 30% marketshare to 10%
 
Gibbo said:
Well a reasoning for the launch delay was to ensure pricing was correct from day one, so lets see what they announce tomorrow. :)
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Based on what you said, the price will be correct. For AMD, the retailers and humbug :p

£650 sounds like the price it will end up being. Though premium versions being £750 or more.
 
Martini1991 said:
And £2400

Id just get a laptop with a 4060 (Like I have now)
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Can't argue with this at 60 watts tho :)

Again, its a 13" tablet.

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TNA said:
Basically just like every other launch. Lol.
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Unfortunately it's mostly the consumer that is the problem.

No one seems to have any patience, and willingly wants to hand over £600 more money compared with what they could have had all of last year for a measly 10-15% perf gain.

I think there is still a massive hangover/PTSD from the mining boom and the 3 series launch. These things aren't money printers anymore yet it seems like people are still trying to scalp them as such.

The 5xxx generation is the strangest one so far. The 3xxx series were money printers, and the 4xxx series at least gave big perf gains (IE 4080 was a rip off but was at least 40% faster than the 3080 (and actually double at 4k with RT!) introduced frame gen etc and had 6gb more vram).

I don't think anyone has looked objectively at how rubbish the 5080 is in terms generational uplift. Paying £1400+ for them is just insanity.

Everyone just needs to calm down when a new series launches so that prices normalise again.
 
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There is demand for the silicon in segments that are far more profitable and what's more they don't have enough supply to service those demands without Gaming GPU's eating in to it.

Nvidia would also rather we all subscribe to GeForce Now so they have control of what we get in return for our money, "you will own nothing and be happy" is not some right wing conspiracy it is a corporate end game.
 
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humbug said:
Can't argue with this at 60 watts tho :)

Again, its a 13" tablet.

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Doesn't matter what the wattage is if I can buy two 4060 laptops for the same price lol, which looking at the TUF is better performance

I think it's a quality product don't get me wrong. But I rock a 4060 laptop and wouldn't be changing it
 
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Not sure why we are getting a lecture on economics and inflation.

That might explain why a £500 becomes a £600 card over the course of several years, but it doesn't explain a retailer varying the price of 5080s up and down on the same day, it doesn't explain a retailer selling the same Palit 5090 for £2.3k on launch day, £2.7k for the next two weeks, then £2.5k today.

No, that sounds like a business that varies the price according to demand. Nothing wrong with that, anyone who has ever bought a plane ticket or booked a hotel knows how that works. But airlines and hotels dont pretend otherwise.
 
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