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The Boris Johnson Premiership (24/07/2019 - ????)

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by chrismscotland, Jul 24, 2019.

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  1. StriderX

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    It's got different problems and it's just a smaller set of voters as well, i'm sure it'd work fine in normal circumstances, it's the strained circumstances that make this potentially viable for Labour or Tory government to abuse, by actively contorting their councils to obfuscate the process.

    The only way i'd accept this, is if it was administered by the government wholesale, probably under an independent committee or agency and hopefully more useful than just for voting with a cost associated with it that isn't hidden under council tax increases or the like, just so the government can misdirect people.
     
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  2. Greebo

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    So you are happy with 9.8 million people not being entitled to vote? That seems like a lot of people to me.
     
  3. RDM

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    Where is this number from? Is it the number of people without a passport or driving licence? Is it the number of people with no form of photo ID at all? Is it the number of people that will, for whatever reason, not be able to get a voter ID card? Or is it the number of people being bandied around by Labour?
     
  4. RDM

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    I am not opposed to having to show ID for voting, compared to the number of other things, much less important, that you need ID for. But without concrete proposals as to how Voter ID would be handled I'm not going to just dismiss the idea as bad.
     
  5. Dolph

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    This sort of fake news should result in fines for the political parties that push it.
     
  6. StriderX

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    I assume it's just the % of people without a passport versus the potential electors (~45000000), ultimately it doesn't really matter, a single disenfranchised person is bad enough. I already own both a passport and driver's license (realistically just to travel and prove age), if i was forced to wait through my local council's domestic problems to register for a free card, i'd probably not bother, i don't want to force people who are already financially and temporally poor to risk their livelihood on some Kafkaesque hell hoping their council isn't a waste of space... just to vote.
     
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  7. Greebo

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    Number of people without passport or driving licence. I hadnt seen the proposal that everybody will get a free photo id card. As I said, I am not against having to show ID so long as its a free and easy ID to get.
     
  8. Jono8

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    So what do we reckon. Will he resign if he ends up having to ask for an extension, or will he just try and ride out the utter embarrassment of asking for one and then not leaving the EU on the 31st Oct?
     
  9. Greebo

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    Show me the link to where it says people will get free photo ID and I will shut up. The Telegraph article only mentioned passport or drivers licence. If thats not true then perhaps you should vent your anger at them and not me or Labour?
     
  10. StriderX

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    It says right at the end i think mentioning something like what NI does council wise, but i feel that's a trap frankly, especially with how stricken English councils are. Regardless until there's a bill to look over, i guess it's mostly just bluster.
     
  11. RDM

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    Corbyn (or at least his press office) used 11m in his tweet, so it does seem to be coming from Labour.
     
  12. Uther

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    I don't think he'll resign now, just bluster on through. I'd be interested in hearing what some of our resident JRM fans think of him potentially now supporting Mays regurgitated WA just because it has a Boris sticker on it, even though he once referred to it as 'completely cretinous'...
     
  13. VoG

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    BJ won't resign, he'll just bluster his way through as per usual.
     
  14. Mr Badger

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    The only way Boris will quit is if it's part of some sneaky Cummings strategy to win an ensuing GE.

    Also, credit where it's due, Brexiters often show a quite amazing ability to revise their position without concern about the contradictions between supporting better deal/no deal/surrender deal/no one knows deal or whatever.
     
  15. Dolph

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    Conservatives accused of election rigging over leaked photo ID plans

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-election-rigging-leaked-id-plans-voter-fraud

     
  16. Greebo

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  17. Werewolf

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    Interesting that the government says we'll be able to apply for a free "electoral id" from the local council, I wonder if the government will be covering the cost of providing the equipment and staffing to do so effectively*, and if they'll allow enough time to get it done before any election.

    IIRC it currently takes around 6 weeks around my neck of the woods to get a "blue badge" if you're automatically eligible for one (due to PIP/DLA), for some reason I can't see any "electoral" ID taking much less time if they want to do it properly, as they'll need to allow time for ID documents to be checked and the ID to be printed with suitable anti-fraud safeguards.

    This strikes me very much as a way to try and make it harder to vote, rather than a way to cut voting fraud given how badly designed many of the government websites are for submitting information, and not everyone will be able to apply online which means visits to the local council offices, most of which around my way are no longer very local and don't tend to have any facilities for things like doing ID's.




    *For some reason I appear to be having auditory hallucinations at the thought of that, it sounds oddly like disbelieving laughter.
     
  18. Eurofighter

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    Needing ID to vote is a good idea if everyone has ID. But I think its election rigging to do it without that. And to make cash strapped councils to do it is wrong and not a good idea. It would be better being central.
     
  19. satchef1

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    The idea is fine. It's really quite sensible to require that people prove their identity before being allowed to vote.

    The big question mark is over whether sufficient preparation will take place, with people having sufficient notice to ensure they remain eligible to vote. The worry being that it'll be rushed in for a snap election, resulting in potentially millions of people being unable to cast their vote.
     
  20. robgmun

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    I certainly don't think it's a proposal for the next upcoming election. I think this is something for the next one over and the Tories will organize it before calling any vote

    Oh and lol:
    https://twitter.com/hammersmikey/status/1183492511999971328
     
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