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The Brexit Party

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Mr Badger, May 8, 2019.

  1. Mr Badger

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    Hold on a tick. It was bad enough trying to spin it that less than 52% of voters picking a completely undefined Brexit in 2016 was some sort of landslide mandate in favour of a No Deal crash out. But since when has getting 30.5% of the vote in the 2019 EU elections meant that "the majority of the voting electorate chose for their views on the EU to represented by TBP"???
     
  2. thenewoc

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    Are you disputing the result of the EU 2019 election where TBP won the largest number of seats (29) of any of the parties competing for the 73 UK allotted seats. Therefore TBP won that election by a country mile over any other party running for election in the EU parliament.
     
  3. singularity

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    it shows that British voters either don't care about the eu or hate it.
     
  4. Mr Badger

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    I am certainly disputing your claim that 30.5% is "the majority of the voting electorate".
     
  5. StriderX

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    Then by that same logic Labour won and you can't argue against that.

    Because by the logic of adding up parties, then leave lost aswell, you cant wiggle your way out of this contradiction.
     
  6. Mr Badger

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    Your reply does not make sense. Please explain what you mean regarding thenewoc's claim that 30.5% is the majority?
     
  7. thenewoc

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    perhaps that could have been worded better but certainly the largest party by a country mile over anyone else's campaigns.
     
  8. thenewoc

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    I didn't add up parties, TBP won 29 seats by far the most number of seats of any party.
     
  9. Cern

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    What you actually said:

    Seems whoever writes your chat bot algorithms needs to make some revisions, you keep contradicting yourself.
     
  10. Murphy

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    You can't seriously be suggesting that an "advisor" has the same influence as someone who's asking to be included in the negotiations.

    And no, they have absolutely no right to request being included in the negotiations, advisors are hired based on what the person seeking advise needs advising on, they don't just turn up and start telling someone what they should be doing, added to that is one of the key pillars of leaving the EU was the sovereignty of parliament and being able to make our own choices and yet both you and Farage are advocating that an European politician should be allowed to interfere with UK domestic policy.

    Both you and Farage are being extremely hypocritical, the Farage party are literally acting against their own constitution (PDF) as section 2.3 states...
    And yet here Farage and you are, saying that someone who is not a member of the Parliament of the United Kingdom should be allowed to negotiate on laws that will apply within the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, and in addition to saying that they're also saying the Farage party should be allowed to negotiate a treaty that will involve the surrendering of at least some sovereignty.
     
  11. ratface

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    So what, your favourite company (not a political party) has no mandate to demand anything

    Do remind us, how many MP's do UKIP/BXP have again?

    Write a manifesto, get voted into No 10 and then you come back state you have a mandate
     
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  12. DarkHorizon472

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    With no MP’s ,no councillors, no policies, and it’s a company not a party with no official membership either.
     
  13. singularity

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    can you not read, it was a statement that is undoubtedly true.
     
  14. Murphy

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    No it's not, 30.5% is not a majority because the 69.5% is the larger number. :confused:
     
  15. efish

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    The non-elected advisor part just does not work. As it's not a realistic comparison. You should stop repeating it.

    Mr Farage is a highly effective political operator and this is a highly effective political statement.
    A demonstration of his political ability.

    Adding a false comparison simply limits that effect and confuses the issue.

    Like the earlier confusion in identifying the difference between science and anti-science.

    Does not aid clarity other than identifying the issue with contemporary politics (evident across the political spectrum); a notable absence in the relationship between political expedience, the desire to win and truth.

    This is same old rather than something new.
     
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  16. JRS

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    Link.

    It's a pretty accurate take on the situation.
     
  17. thenewoc

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    Of course it does, various people here have pointed out that TBP is a company so they're ideally placed to supply contracted consultants for the task. :D
     
  18. thenewoc

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    Here's the letter that's been delivered to No.10.

     
  19. JRS

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  20. garnett

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    Gah, poor @thenewoc. The con he got mugged by is already manifesting itself.

    So certain before the EU vote that his Brexit Party vote was for a no-deal Brexit, and already Farage is misrepresenting that as some sort of mandate to work towards a deal.

    Farage only had one pledge. And he's already betrayed that.