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The Brexit Party

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Mr Badger, May 8, 2019.

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  1. ron3003

    Wise Guy

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    Is it a he though? I've always thought garnett was more like the 'silly moo'
     
  2. The_Abyss

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    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    So you're saying that there's been nothing positive or newsworthy to post then, hence the silence.

    I guess that's inevitable from a party with no manifesto, a leader who's lied and mis-represented the /uK fishing industry, who's fiddled his EU expenses and who's funded by a man who is under investigation by the National Crime Agency for electoral fraud.

    But I may have missed the positive news behind all of that.
     
  3. D.P.

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    Here is some Brexit party news.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48611704

    https://www.ft.com/content/0d086dba-8d18-11e9-a24d-b42f641eca37

    https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-party-lance-foreman-tweet-mercedes-car-skoda-mep-taxi-8954746
     
  4. robgmun

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    Go back and read my post, you seemed to have massively missed the content let alone the point! Skim reading doesn't work :/
     
  5. The_Abyss

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    Yep - re-read it, still happy with my post as written. I could change it to add some more Farage untruths or lies I suppose, but what's there is already pretty damning.
     
  6. Murphy

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    So how would you react if people said you were scaremongering for simply voicing concerns, that you were a liberal elite, that you were lying, an enemy of the people, a saboteur, that you hated your own country, that you're moaning, that you don't know anything, and all the other thinly veiled insults that go back over decades?

    It's pointless trying to look back to try and discover who started it though as we'll never know, what we can do however is try to moderate the rhetoric we use going forward and unfortunately IMO leave supporters are particularly guilty when it comes to still using inflammatory language, you only have to look at the rhetoric the Farage party used in the EU elections to see they're still trying to paint anyone who doesn't agree with them as an enemy who must be defeated by any means necessary.
     
  7. thenewoc

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    No election is solely about facts or logic, no one completes any test of facts before they exercise their right to vote on whatever basis the individual see's fit. No different in fact to a jury returning a verdict that in their opinion is beyond reasonable doubt, it's therefore a judgement made by each individual.
     
  8. Freakbro

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    Yes, a judgement based on the facts and logic they have just been listening too! :rolleyes::p

    They don't just ignore the prosecution and defence arguments and plump for a decision based on their own unsounded feelings
     
  9. chroniclard

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    Based primarily on facts/evidence/logic. Unless you are Brexiter, then its based on feels and gambling.
     
  10. thenewoc

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    You missed out opinion, and since democracy began there's never been any way to control how people exercise their right of voting. As illogical as the outcome maybe to some that is part and parcel of living in a democracy.
     
  11. Freakbro

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    I was just pointing out the crap analogy :p
     
  12. thenewoc

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    Not really, you could be unlucky and get a jury that just want to get home quick.
     
  13. VincentHanna

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    Any jury that "wants to get home quick" should be forced to watch 12 angry men.
     
  14. inogen

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    Brexit is based on more than that for most people, it's just that they, to a man, woman and dog, find it hard to say what exactly it's based on and what it means. They find it very frustrating that other people just don't get it.
     
  15. Shocky-FM

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    So unless there is a miracle Boris will be in the final two, the only question now is if Tory members will vote for him. I suspect they will but it would be funny if they rejected him. :p
     
  16. Colonel_Klinck

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    Please please please NEVER turn up for jury duty.
     
  17. thenewoc

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    too late :cool:
     
  18. The_Abyss

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    That's because their views, formed over years if not decades, are not based on substance or relevant facts. And when presented with facts that evidence a different outcome, it is easier to dismiss them as project fear rather than undo years of understanding / conditioning.
     
  19. Murphy

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    So you're aware of the principal behind the presumption of innocence and burden of proof?
     
  20. Mr Badger

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    You have to wait longer that you would like for an appointment with your GP and then when you attend the surgery there are a lot of "foreign" looking people in the waiting room. The message in the newspaper you read and the social media you consume is that "***********" come over here as health tourists and pay nothing into the system and that we need to take back control and leave the EU. QED immigration is the problem.

    Someone explains to you (including providing links to official and credible sources) that:

    1) There are a number of reasons why waiting times may be lengthening (increased demand due to the ageing UK population, insufficient funding, not enough new GPs coming through to replace the ones that are leaving etc.)
    2) Immigrants actually provide an economic benefit to the UK and by paying tax help to fund things such as the NHS.
    3) That the reported cases of health tourists flying in from Africa etc. are considered to be a comparatively minor issue in the big scheme of things (hence why adequate resources aren't devoted to stopping it)
    4) That your concerns seem to be primarily about about non EU immigration which is increasing as immigration from the EU is falling.
    5) That leaving the EU will solve none of the above.

    Do you review your position, or dismiss the above points as being fake news because it's "common sense" that we need to get out of the EU to reduce demand on the NHS?
     
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