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The Brexit Party

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Mr Badger, May 8, 2019.

  1. BowdonUK

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    I would imagine if Farage takes a job with the Tories quite a lot of BP backers wouldn't vote for him. The whole reason they joined BP is to move away from the Conservatives.

    It's not out of the question either. Farage is an ego-maniac, and he only abandoned the Tories when he saw they were becoming pro-EU. Now they are swinging towards being anti-EU then they are his type of people.

    It would be interesting if there would be a backlash though, as none of the people joining BP are members. There are no rules to hold Farage to account.
     
  2. garnett

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    Quite. After all, Farage and Banks pretty much invented entryism. (It's how Boris got elected.) Of course they would make sure their political vehicle wasn't vulnerable to their own style of subversion.
     
  3. BowdonUK

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    Three interesting council by-election results, two of them featured BP candidates. It's been said that the two Gloucester areas are predominantly remain voting and thats why BP didn't win the vote. Though as we can see the Conservative vote was still respectable in both wards.

    Barnwood ward, and the vote result was;

    LD: 676
    Con: 496
    BP: 152
    Lab: 64
    Green: 59
    UKIP: 6

    Turnout was 29.1%

    Podsmead ward, and the vote result was;

    LD: 203
    Con: 200
    Lab: 122
    BP: 111
    Green: 29
    UKIP: 11

    Turnout was 32.8%

    There was also a by-election for the Hartlepool borough council in the ward of Hart.

    Hart ward, and vote result was;

    Lab: 366
    Ind Union: 358
    Green: 196
    For Britain: 166
    UKIP: 114
     
  4. efish

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    Offshore electoral funding ahoy.

     
  5. robgmun

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    Don't worry, i'm sure a Labour ex-PM will come out of the woodwork and ask the electoral commission to investigate and then find nothing...again. At least it makes a difference from blaming the Russians, now we have a new nefarious enemy...The Americans!! Dah dah daaaaaah!!! :p
     
  6. Vern1961

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    Location: Swindon UK

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324

    Planning to fail comes straight to mind...

    £2.1 billion would buy several MRI scanners plus a lot of treatment in the NHS. Fill in most of the potholes and repaint the missing white lines that afflict our roads. (Or put in a decent network of cycle paths).

    The lunatics really are running the asylum.
     
  7. efish

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    They were fined by the electoral commission for not properly declaring funds and Banks is under investigation as it goes.

    Apparently the reason they have started the fund is to combat the old nefarious scapegoat, George Soros. Soros has funded

    'Best for Britain' to the tune of £800,000 although Farage et. al are claiming he has spent "tens of millions of dollars."
     
  8. robgmun

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    Source? I only know if the time Gordon "I sell gold on the cheap" Brown sent in the electoral commission and they found nothing.
     
  9. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    Your well off mark yet again.

    Brown rightly deserved criticism, he didn't sell it on the cheap, what he did was make it common knowledge that was his plan. As included in this quite recent article it wasn't just the UK selling gold.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48177767

    "Globalisation was re-ordering the financial world; the euro created a new - and, hoped-for, stronger - monetary system; there were calls for the International Monetary Fund to sell its gold to help write off Third World debt; private investors had lost interest in the precious metal, preferring to help fuel the dotcom bubble.

    In this context Mr Brown's decision does not necessarily look out of step.

    The money raised from the gold sale was put into assets that yielded a return - bonds and currencies. The sale of what was then regarded as a legacy asset would make money, not lose it, according to the Treasury."
     
  10. Murphy

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    The Internet! (specifically the wiki entry that details the unlawful activity, the fines resulting from said activity and provides links to the references used in creating the aforementioned).
     
  11. Nitefly

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    I do wonder at what point it becomes ‘not worth it’...
     
  12. robgmun

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    Ah, you made it seem that it was The Brexit Party or Nigel Farage was fined, none of which happened. These little points are important so that you don't give others the wrong impression. Or it will come across as disingenuous on your part
     
  13. Murphy

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    You didn't read any of that wiki entry, did you?
     
  14. DarkHorizon472

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    I find your lack of faith disturbing.

    (Darth Vader)
     
  15. Greebo

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    Careful comrade, you will be one of the first taken away in the middle of the night if you continue that kind of dissent
     
  16. Tony Edwards

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    What a horrible and Ive got to say racist man Farage is.

    Im sure it comes as no surprise to many already and most of his supporters will lap it up because they also feel the same way about minorities.

    This is actually far worse than the anti semitism that is plaguing Corbyns leadership because these are the words from Farage's own mouth.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...o-back-comments-were-genius-says-nigel-farage
    You have to wonder if he got a bit of a revoking from Trumps camp and the supremacists for at first seeming to condem it. For public appearances of course.

    Disgusting.
     
  17. efish

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    Vote leave was fined £61, 000 for exceeding its electoral spending by funneling money through a Brexit youth group the E.C. also referred the matter for criminal investigation.

    The history of irregularity and lack of clarity when it comes to both funding and the use of peoples data (fined here as well) is well known.

    Both Farage and Banks give the standard conspiracy rhetoric in response to fines charges and investigations.
     
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  18. BowdonUK

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    I thought it was illegal to raise money for a foreign political party in the US? The laws seem to be selectively applied.

    I was following the Trump comments and the reaction to it.

    The "genius" part they are talking about is that previously the leaders of the Democrats were in conflict with AOC and that group, to the point AOC was accusing Pelosi of being racist. Then a few days after Trump defended Pelosi saying she wasn't racist. Then he comes out and made the comment he did. It appears the objective was to get the Democrat establishment having to defend AOC and her group, which is what happened.

    But as we know that anyone shortcutting across debate telling people to leave the country is a classic racist line that as been said many times over the years in UK and Europe. Farage will know about this because if Nick Griffin had said it Farage would have been the first to condemn him. But now because its Trump Farage is giving him a pass.

    I don't know what it is about these BP and UKIP leaders, Farage and Batten, that they seem to go out of their way to undermine their position by siding with people who come out with very bad comment, and won't condemn them when it needs to be done.
     
  19. efish

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    Its for a single issue Brexit rather than support for a political party so its legal as its not endorsing or promoting a U.S. candidate.

    The way its set up is controversial on both sides of the pond as its not endorsing a specified political candidate it does not have to reveal its donors.
    These pacs have long been viewed as being the center of the flow of dark money into U.S. politics.

    Gerry Gunster who worked for Farage/ Aron Banks/ leave E.U. is also 'advising.'

    Farage says the money is also kosher but no one can actual check that this is indeed the case.

    Transparency and accountability is clearly not his thing.

    Farage is suggesting the anonymous slush fund will be used for 'lobbying and influence.' Very drain the swamp anti- political elite practice ;).

    Its the anonymous nature of the donations that is the concern, not just in regard to this instance but the future i.e large piles of untraceable foreign cash influencing U.K political opinion with no clear idea of who is seeking to influence and pay for it.

    Bring back sovereignty, the will of the people and large piles of untraceable cash for lobbyists :rolleyes:

    Data mining/ dark money 'Democracy' is the concern and possible danger.
     
  20. efish

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    How dare people question the fact that elected officials can raise multi-million dollars for advertising and lobbying from secret foreign donors.

    Its a disgrace and an affront to any self- respecting anonymous foreign influencer of U.K. public opinion and in no way contradicts the idea of taking back control from an un-elected elite cabal of foreigners.
     
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