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The Brexit Party

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Mr Badger, May 8, 2019.

  1. thenewoc

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    I've given you a well reasoned answer, any more than that I think we'll have to wait for the result of the election for.
     
  2. Mason-

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    It does move but a large chunk of the people aren't moving into skilled jobs. They're doing jobs that any Tom, Dick or Harry could do. And the movement is not equivalent at all. I don't need to pull up the figures because we both know that the net migration proportionally is higher from poorer countries to richer ones. They've boomed with disproportionate aid from the EU. Again due to redistribution of funds. This happens at a national level and I don't begrudge a disproportionate amount of the tax I pay going to poorer areas of the country because I have a much stronger tie to Britain than I do to Poland or Romania, irrational maybe but it's true nonetheless. I can't help feeling more fellowship with my fellow brits than with Poles. National identity I suppose which I acknowledge that some feel more strongly than others about.

    Capitalism is doomed to fail because it is predicated on eternal growth, and that includes populations. It will fail at some point.

    If globalization continues then we will head towards a global government, which again I don't want. Because it will have the exact same issues as I've highlighted at the EU level. I don't want countries stealing all the working age labourers from poorer countries turning them into Blackpools. I don't want this country to be dependent on Africa for nurses or anything else, and on top of that why should Africa be deprived of its nurses. It can be done.
     
  3. Murphy

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    As i said reason doesn't enter into the question, there's no cause, explanation, or justification needed within the question of "If the only two parties who are advocating leaving without a WA don't get more than %51 of the vote does that mean the majority do not support leaving the EU without a deal?" it's a yes or no answer.

    Why's it so difficult to admit that if the only two parties advocating leaving the EU without a WA do not get more than %51 of the vote that it means the majority of the electorate do not want to leave without a WA.
     
  4. thenewoc

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    Should I sign my forced confession now or can I have a break from your interrogation?
     
  5. DarkHorizon472

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    What is interesting is how important the European election result is until it disproves some ones view and then they instantly dismiss it. That is the problem when you choose a view and desperately hang onto it when reality goes in a very different direction.
     
  6. Mr Badger

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    You often seem to avoid actually answering the question that has been asked and instead respond with a different point or paste a block of Brexit Party text. It's a bit like an old Theresa May interview where, regardless of the question asked, she answers "Strong and stable government, Brexit means Brexit.".
     
  7. Murphy

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    I couldn't really care less, i just think it's incredibly rude of you to enter into conversations with people in such bad faith, especially in a sub section of the forum that's meant to promote mature discussion.
     
  8. thenewoc

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    I think I've given a full answer that also respects the fact that many of us want to leave the EU and we don't have to prove why that is better, in a democracy people are free to choose to vote a certain way on whatever grounds satisfies them for doing so.
     
  9. thenewoc

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    I've answered the point you raised, it's immaterial what your asking though since you already know seats in the parliament are allocated based on the percentages of the votes.
     
  10. Werewolf

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    You've never as far as I can see given a full answer to anything that actually respects facts.

    You've basiscally posted the same debunkend nonsense, ignored people and acted more bot like than most twitter bots for as far back as I can see.

    I respect democracy, seemingly far more than a lot of the brexit supporters (one vote only, no matter how much evidence there is the vote was rigged by third parties and one of the parties broke all the rules), but that doesn't mean anyone has to respect someone who can't seem to actually answer simple questions with anything other than a canned response.
     
  11. DarkHorizon472

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    What badger is referring to is how you make a statement, people challenge it and you then move rapidly onto a different topic rather than entering into a discussion to fully explain what you mean. You may not realise you keep doing this. When people ask me for more detail I am happy to explain further as for me it is a discussion to learn from not an argument. I never assume I am right , just try to understand more.
     
  12. DarkHorizon472

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    Good post.
     
  13. thenewoc

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    Perhaps your own political views are clouding that view since I've answered many questions and given citation as to my reasoning in many examples, the latest of which was the suggestion that remain had 65% of the vote and I replied with citation that the eurosceptic parties had 48% so implied that it wasn't as black and white as being portrayed by the question.
     
  14. Murphy

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    No you have not, that you're perfectly willing to make your opinions know in a public space but are unwilling to have your opinions questioned is duplicity of the highest order
     
  15. DarkHorizon472

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    Your answers tend to be vague sound bites which bear no resemblance to the supporting information you provide. This is why people have a lot of questions to ask you so they can better understand. It is by listening to all views my approach changes from arguement from a fixed view to discussion with better understanding. Give it a try as you will understand a lot but don’t have to agree.
     
  16. garnett

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    I'm not the one implying it, the implication is there in the words and actions of Nigel Farage and those who choose to support him. It's then made "fair game" when they come into the debate thread, with, as I say, no intention of trying to argue their case (for reasons that are obvious to all).

    Essentially, much has been made by Farage (and then parroted by those who don't apply scrutiny to his rhetoric) that Remainers are calling Brexiteers stupid, when, in truth, it is Farage who is branding people stupid by saying, I campaigned for one thing, now believe me when I tell you I was campaigning for something completely different.

    Nobody was compelled to agree with him. Those who did, did so of their own choice.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2019
  17. Mr Badger

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    The point of posting in SC is to take part in debate. If you are not going to do this in good faith "we don't have to prove why that is better" it is certainly not acceptable for you to spam the thread with party propaganda.
     
  18. thenewoc

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    It's not party propaganda, I've only ever posted fact.
     
  19. Murphy

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    I've already told you that's not what the question was so why are you persisting with the "eurosceptic" line? The question was about parties who are advocating leaving the EU without a WA, stop being so deceitful.

    And for parties who are advocating leaving the EU without a WA the polling is showing roughly 65% of people do not support that option.
     
  20. DarkHorizon472

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    Unfortunately that is not the case, what you have posted is mainly Brexit Party in your words propaganda. Repeatedly copy and pasting the same over and over again. Never wanting to discuss or explain it in detail. Other posters have a wide variety of views and are happy to discuss them in detail whether people agree with them or not.