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The Brexit Party

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Mr Badger, May 8, 2019.

  1. Six6siX

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    BXP only stood for one thing: WTO brexit and got 1/3 of the vote.
    All 'remain parties' had varying ideas ranging from revoke to 2nd ref and got 2/3 of the vote.

    The only conclusion you can draw from this is that there is no majority for a WTO no deal Brexit. Which we already knew.
     
  2. thenewoc

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    Have always said it's about different stages and this was the first, returning a strong result applies political pressure and influence elsewhere such as the leadership contest in the Conservatives. Next BXP will be lobbying to be included in the Brexit negotiating team.
     
  3. RDM

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    That didn't really answer the question...

    So the Brexit Party lobbies to be in the Brexit negotiating team and the government says "No". What then?
     
  4. thenewoc

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    Winning party though in almost every area, sends a strong message, keeps the pressure on making a clean break. BXP perfectly placed to undertake negotiations pretty much straight away whereas the Conservatives are paralysed whilst figuring out a new leader.
     
  5. thenewoc

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    Keep shining a light on the current zombie government that we have since the clock is running down. If they say no then what's their answer to actually leaving, if they're not going to do anything then there will need to be a VONC somehow to trigger a GE.
     
  6. thenewoc

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    Most people would identify Tory & Labour as being pro honouring the 2016 referendum since that's what they stood on getting elected to the current parliament on. If people really wanted remain I would have expected a similar result with LD as BXP got, but they didn't so BXP has the strongest mandate.
     
  7. RDM

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    Which the Brexit Party can't do as they don't have any MPs.
     
  8. thenewoc

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    They don't need to have, the BXP will be prominent in the media.
     
  9. thenewoc

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    Some delay apparently to the imminent press conference due to so much interest...

     
  10. Cuchulain

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    They do to call a VONC.
     
  11. RDM

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    I didn't realise that the media could call a VONC, I thought you had to be an MP to do it...
     
  12. Cern

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    Dream on. Tories won't now trigger or back a VONC for obvious reasons. And I suspect that Corbyn no longer has the hots for a GE so probably won't push for a VONC either. So who will call for it? The BXP have no MPs, speaking of which ....

    So that's how democracy is decided now is it? Oh well, at least you admit it. Nevertheless, it won't change what happens in Parliament.

    The BXP achieved an impressive result, no taking away from that, but not as strong a result as predicted now all results are in and 32% of the vote is not a clear mandate for No Deal / WTO.
     
  13. thenewoc

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    That's always been the case, you remember the poll tax protests right? Parliament have to listen to the mood of the country, not just MP's.
     
  14. Cern

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    Yeah, people got out on the streets for the poll tax protests, well they were riots actually. Are you suggesting people riot for Brexit?

    Anyway, where were all the Brexiters in Farage's Brexit March to Westminster back in March? Just a few hundred wasn't it? The People's Vote march managed to get between 3/4 million and a million, 100% peaceful.
     
  15. Irish_Tom

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    The mood of the country does not share a majority for The Brexit Party’s WTO flavour of Brexit.
     
  16. Six6siX

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    It doesn't though - it says the exact opposite. Only 1/3 of the vote. You can't escape the numbers and the fact that 2/3 of the vote was not for a WTO brexit.

    I never said anything about people wanting to remain or anything the tories and labour are suggesting. I literally said in my post that all you can infer from this result is that there is no majority for a WTO brexit.
     
  17. thenewoc

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    Yet!

    Also only a fraction of the country ever turn out to vote in EU elections so you don't know what the mood of the country as a whole is or that it won't worsen further if the Tories don't have some satisfactory solution up their sleeve.
     
  18. thenewoc

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    But BXP have the highest share of the vote of all the parties so that's a very clear mandate, if people wanted LD's version of remain they'd have received the most votes.
     
  19. Six6siX

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    Why do you keep banging on about remain? :confused:

    It doesn't matter who got the highest share of the vote in regard to the point I'm making: with only 1/3 of the vote, 2/3 of the voters do not agree with a WTO, no deal Brexit. Do you agree?
     
  20. kindai

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    Nope.

    1/3 agree to WTO,

    2/3 Voted different parties for unknown reasons.