Spie said:Then you would be wrong.
I know 3 people who are undergoing long-term care under the NHS and double that who have had to deal with an important health issue within the last 2 years. I assure you that they certainly do not feel that they "can't praise it enough".
The NHS is a mess. Even Labour accept this. Only last week a Hospital Trust had to fire 1/3 of ALL it's staff. Last year our local Hospital Trust had to shed 20% of its staff. Why? They didn't have enough money to employ them. How can these drastic measures possibly be indicative of a fully functional NHS and what impact do you think they will have on patient care?
What? Sweeping statements? As opposed to your factual statements? You'd do well to get down off your high horse. This forum is for INTELLIGENT debate.treebeard said:Well that simply is not my experience, nor that of my family and friends.
Sounds like your local trust are having their problems, doesn't seem to be the case here so your sweepng statements don't hold much water I'm afraid.
Spie said:What? Sweeping statements? As opposed to your factual statements? You'd do well to get down off your high horse. This forum is for INTELLIGENT debate.
Monkey Puzzle said:To say the NHS is a shambles simply isn't true. It is poorly managed, and considering the amount of public money that has been pumped into it the improvements haven't been good enough. But it has improved, and is excellent value for money. To say that it is doing a poor job is just crazy talk. The treatment available on the NHS is much better than under the Tories, with massively shortened waiting times for operations, and the satisfaction of the vast majority of people using its services is a testament to this.
Poor management doesn't help, and neither do inefficiently implemented ideas like the new NHS centralised computer system spiraling out of budget and over-schedule, shipping out work to poorly trained foreign doctors for private companies that cherry-pick easy procedures and are unable to deal with complications (which must then be treated by the NHS). Or training thousands upon thousands of junior doctors at £250,000 each, who qualify only to find they have no jobs and must go abroad to work.I have to ask why the NHS are cutting staff if things are much improved? I am reading carefully here because I don't know a great deal about the NHS and it's workings but I think the question is valid.
Though I agree with your point to some extent, the amount of NHS spending per patient in A&E is actually very low compared to those treated in other areas of the NHS, to a large extent because a lot of the people attending A&E are less likeable.One thing I do know about the NHS, and I see this almost every run of nightshift weekends, is the amount of money wasted on people who are ****ed up and in casualty with self-inflicted injuries where Johhny X has had too much and punched his fist into a wall or through a shop window and the taxpayer has to pick up the bill for his treatment .....
KNiVES said:That's so true. You have a rather good grasp on the state of society it seems. That cannot be said for many of the politicians in power. It's a shame that there's so many potential politicians out there who can really make a difference, but they are too disillusioned.
What on earth did he expect, "Dave" Cameron to be a "Man of the people" with the "Common touch", just like Boris the BikeOne of the Conservative party's biggest donors has told the Guardian he will not give money to the party again because of David Cameron's "arrogant Old Etonian" style of leadership.
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[Millionaire Sir Tom Cowie] said he had become disillusioned with Mr Cameron's leadership after what he considered a series of blunders. Among others, he cited the furore over new grammar schools Guardian Link
Shackley said:What on earth did he expect, "Dave" Cameron to be a "Man of the people" with the "Common touch", just like Boris the Bike
You've got allot of opinions, why not get in there and back them up? I didn't picture you as someone worried about being fired or taking some flack for them, you hold up in SC ok, why not try it for real?Spie said:Yes, but I wouldn't. I'd tell an inappropriate joke at a dinner party and get fired
Mulder said:What exactly do you mean? Do you know something I don't?