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The Conservative Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Gigabit, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. b0rn2sk8

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    Zero chance of a Lib Dem and Tory coalition with their positions being opposite on brexit.

    They would with labour but only if their Brexit position was switched to remain

    The only people I could reasonably see them going into a coalition with at the moment is SNP and greens.
     
  2. Shocky-FM

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    The people voted leave so let's leave, deal or no deal.

    May needs to accept that there will be no new deal and her current deal is dead so the only way to respect the referendum result is no deal.

    If they try and cancel brexit they'll be looking at something much worse than yellow vests in France, kinda hoping they try it, should be entertaining at the very least.
     
  3. cheesyboy

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    Nonsense
     
  4. chroniclard

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    Will be some fat red faced men shouting and possibly a bit of violence at most.
     
  5. VincentHanna

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    No chance.

    You'll end up with a handful of people on the streets, and loads of people sitting on their phones and ipads writing lots of **** and doing nothing.
     
  6. Shocky-FM

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    So you think 17 million people will just accept it? Now that's nonsense.
     
  7. VincentHanna

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    They won't accept it, but they won't take significant action either.

    When was the last time this country had a mass protest like France? Never. People moan about all sorts and never get off their arse to do anything about it.
     
  8. McGray

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    So much rubbish in such a short post. Good job!
     
  9. cheesyboy

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    Where were the hundreds of thousands of anti-EU protest marchers before all the brexit talk?

    Very few brexiteers actually care that much. We'll get a few groups of the usual right wing suspects hounding prominent women, and some strong words on social media.
     
  10. Shocky-FM

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    Tory boy?

    We'll see, it's probably going to happen and that's probably been May's plan all along.

    They've been taking us for a ride, either she's delusional or it was calculated, there was no way that deal was ever going to get through parliament.
     
  11. McGray

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    Most definitely not.
     
  12. Rroff

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    The evidence so far is against it - very paltry show from the pro-leave side in London around this vote while pro-remain have much more visible representation on the streets.
     
  13. chroniclard

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    Best deal available without the universally agreed "no deal" disaster.
     
  14. cheesyboy

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    Only due to the Tory red lines. We could have had loads of other, better, options if they'd been a bit more flexible.
     
  15. Shocky-FM

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    They got the result they wanted so not sure why they would need to be out protesting at this point.
     
  16. mid_gen

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    A little crowd of gammons huffing and wheezing their lardy arses around waving placards.

    Terrifying.
     
  17. Rroff

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    Like what? Norway/EFTA type stuff is really far less of an option than people think - neither current EFTA members our the EU want to promote something like that whether membership of a current system or something along similar lines for an entity like the UK and they do have a say in the matter unlike people seem to think. A Canada style model could work but significantly weakens the UK though gives us more long term options. The only other realistic option is some variant of the current deal (which is terrible) brought by May - maybe with some tweaks but there are many fundamental aspects that would not change due to the precedent they would set in the EU or because they'd upset current deals with other entities - maybe if the EU was convinced (and they are not) that we'd go to the wall they might move on some of them in a game of brinkmanship but unlikely - at best they'd make some compromises (as they've done a bit over transport, etc.) to mitigate the fallout to their members where there is an overlap in interest and May has already set out on a bad path for that kind of strategy.

    It seems people are seeing this very one dimensionally from the UK's perspective and not thinking beyond "it is good for the UK so it must be an option".
     
  18. StriderX

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    Most of whom in the event of no brexit, will simply stop voting, a good trade tbh.
     
  19. Tony Edwards

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    Amen to that.
     
  20. Uther

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